Method of ingestion

[Rei]

How can one ingest mimosa hostilis or cebil and get a longer trip without an maoi?

 

[Ahuaeynjxs]

Whats wrong with MAOIs ?

Oh and BTW don't ingest cebil seeds... unless you want to puke and have an extreemly weak trip, the hcl salt is extreemly disagreable.

 

[Rei]

I am not really comfortable with the possible side effects. I'm really paranoid.

 

[Ahuaeynjxs]

You'd have to make an extraction to make the smokable form for it to work without MAOI.

I have never had side effects from MAOI like syrian rue or caapi... it's way overrated.

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

You can make a cold water extract of Mimosa hostilis, but you're going to need more material, about 35 grams or more for a trip, rather than 15 to 20 grams.

http://www.erowid.org/plants/mimosa/mimosa_info2.shtml
http://ayahuasca.tribe.net/thread/208feaa8-9731-47c1-8c2c-be45c6140523

Here's an old thread about the same subject:
http://www.psychonaut.com/index.php?option=com_forum&page=viewtopic&Itemid=11&t=26752

In it Brewmaster wrote: "With a cold water extraction of mimosa, you avoid pulling out a lot of tannins and carbolides which give the juice that awful flavor but you can still get all the dmt."

 

[JustinNed]

If you are trying to avoid maoi (I don't blame you) you can prepare it the traditional method except boil it down to very small amount, load in syringe and stick up your butt. (with needle of ofcourse)

 

[HeartCore]

I am not really comfortable with the possible side effects. I'm really paranoid.

Side effects can range from nothing to light nausea to being so sick withing 30 minutes, that you cannot get anything else down anymore and you feel like dieing for four hours. It's a good thing to be at least a bit paranoid about side effects and make sure you have your dosage right. Personally I never had a problem other than light nausea but a good friend who prepared rue tea for a bunch of friends had that whole group dead sick for over four hours. Afterwards he realized he miscalculated and everybody ended up with 7 grams rue per person as opposed to the 5 that where intended.

It's not something to fool around with. If however you get your dose right and pay attention to the diet restrictions for MAOI intake, you will be safe.

 

[Ahuaeynjxs]

Thanks for the precisions... I would never use more than 3-4 grams however, it's pretty potent stuff, and you must look up the list of stuff not to mix it with too.

 

[Rei]

I decided that since I follow the maoi diet anyways, there was nothing to be afraid of. So bought some yohimbe, it's supposed to be a speedy maoi, I took 3g yohimbe and 1.5g of vitamin c. Very speedy, but if that is what you're looking for, I think the real deal would be for you. Very interesting in it's own right.

Does anybody know if Yohimbe can be combined with dmt to produce a trip?

 

[HeartCore]

Thanks for the precisions... I would never use more than 3-4 grams however, it's pretty potent stuff, and you must look up the list of stuff not to mix it with too.

I second that and my friend was aware of that as well but something got mixed up when he calculated the amount of rue needed for his group

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

Does anybody know if Yohimbe can be combined with dmt to produce a trip?

No, it's a relatively weak MAO-inhibitor with too many physical side-effects to significantly up the dose.

 

[Rei]

just go with syrian rue then?

 

[JustinNed]

Yeah just go with rue, it's cheap and effective.

 

[Ahuaeynjxs]

Don't take 3 grams of yohimbe ! Ick !

It's a very powerful beta-blocker... you must have produced tons of adrenaline for hours... on the bright side tho if you had heart problems you would have felt it.

When I use yohimbe I take like 200-300 mg, this is a very good tonic for circulation and promotes epinephrine and nor-epinephrine balance.

 

[Rei]

I said that it was speedy. I couldn't sleep until I smoked a couple of blunts and a couple of bowls, and then I only got about 4 hours of sleep, but i feel pretty good, so no worries.

 

[GOD]

You dont mean yohimbe crystals do you ?

 

[Ahuaeynjxs]

No haha... I would drop dead on the spot...

I use 2-300 mg of bark.

 

[Brugmansia]

Snorting DMT crystals. Would that work?

*Wants to try tomorrow*

 

[Ahuaeynjxs]

The base wouldn't absorb well if it isn't vaporised... the hcl salt would not reach well into the BBB... unless you used MAOI that is.

If it smells like plastic I would assume it will not feel very good inside your musoca either...

Your call !

 

[Brugmansia]

I'm going to try a small line anyway. Doesn't smell like plastic though, neither when it's smoked. It's synthetical.