mescaline extraction.. freeze precipitation????

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Hey guys. I was wondering if anyone knows a good method of mescaline extraction. I have looked up several very handy ones but none of which mention the possibility of freeze percipitation instead of using the conventional airdry method. I was wondering if freeze precipitation is possible? And if anyone knows the best and easiest method around doing so.

thanks!

 

[Arcticpheonix]

I'm not really experienced in this area (or most areas for that matter) but I don't think mescaline would just precipitate out. What precipitates out I believe is water, and since Mescaline isn't water soluble it would stay in the cactus.

If you mean freezing them just to extract the water for a later process, then I can't see why it wouldn't work. The only thing you might want to be careful of is if freezing the mescaline can ruin it. I know some alkaloids are very sensitive to heat/light, so there may be some that will breakdown at freezing as well.

Like I said, I'm not incredibly experienced at this, so I would look for another opinion, but I think you'll be fine freezing it.

 

[thomasfnem]

I beleave you mean freezing the naphta? and then filter? I beleave you can! I myself are about to harvest 1 pedro that is 160 cm and are going to do a lot of experinents! but if you try before me, please post the result, it works for dmt I know! and other drugs...it does NOT destroy mescalin to be frozen, so it is worth a try

 

[GOD]

Personaly i never had any sucess with doing the fridge bit . It always took to long for the solvent to go through the filter so the substances just went back into solution and went through the filter .

I started mixing the solvent with acidifyed water and getting the product to cross from the solvent to the water . Then separateing the layers and then evaporateing the water wich is much easyer and safer than trying to evaporate the sort of naptha we get here = water dont stink and it dont explode when its hot .

 

[thomasfnem]

Personaly i never had any sucess with doing the fridge bit . It always took to long for the solvent to go through the filter so the substances just went back into solution and went through the filter .

I started mixing the solvent with acidifyed water and getting the product to cross from the solvent to the water . Then separateing the layers and then evaporateing the water wich is much easyer and safer than trying to evaporate the sort of naptha we get here = water dont stink and it dont explode when its hot .

ok, thanks, I wont try that part then!
but if it stayed in the freezer for a couple of days, will it sink to the bottom of the solution? because then a turkey blaster can suck the naphta away and then evaporate the last part, that might make the mesc. cleaner...anyway I have 100-110 pedros, so I will try severel methods during the summer, and will post the outcome!

 

[Jahvisions]

I guess you mean when you salted out your mescaline in the water already?

This is possible, but of course you have to know how much you have to make a saturated solution else you would have significant losses, so it good for recrystallisation, especially with the sulphate since it's nearly insoluble in water near freezing point. You also have to remember that the more time the crystals have to form the less impurities will incling in the crystal structure.

For the extraction: I tried a conventional A/B extraction but I failed don't know where it went wrong but know that to get the mescaline in the acidic water you need a lot of pressurecooking to get all the goodies. And the filtering off this snotty/slimy sirup is very intensive too.
I think the way to go is a: Straight to Base, you need more non-polar solvent but don't need to pressure cook and filter.

I wouldn't gamble using naphta, I've only read it once and it might be fake, Merck also says that Mescaline is practically insoluble in pet-ether so I can't see why it would work. The other think is there is nothing to filter in naphta, the freebase which would be the one to stay a little in the naphta, becomes an oil at roomtemperature that reacts violently with air to form the carbonate salt, and I never read of someone tested if it's a mono, di or tri form so I think accurate dosing is impossible.

GOD you extracted with pet-ether too? what was your yield? I also don't understand how it possible to get a clean product when you just mix with acid water, did you do an extensive defat first or a double round A/B or something? Unless you titrate the mescaline out wouldn't you left behind with a lot of impurties and a excess of acid?

 

[GOD]

Is Merk talking about mescaline salts not being soluable in petrol/s ? Or mescaline base ?

I did it years ago with whats called "wound benzine" in Germany . Thats a very clean petrol oil fraction that evaporates at room tzemperatures and leaves no rest .

I also tried it in what they call naptha here . As i`ve said before the american product and the one available here are TOTALY diferent . The american one is a cleaner fraction that evaperates at a lower temperature and the one here is a mixture of fractions that boil / evaporate over a very much wider temperature range . For example i tried to evaporate it at room temperature with a fan and after a few days i turned the fan off because there was no noticeable evaporation . After more than six months of it sitting at room temperature there was still VERY little evaporation . The only thing that happened was that the whole house and the area around it stank .

The water was first made acidic to about PH 4 , mixed with the mescaline base in the naptha , shook / swirled like fuck over several days . I tested the water that came out of the bottom of the seperatory funnel to make sure it was still acidic .

Didnt weigh or test the white crystals that came out.......yet . I still have them lying around hidden under a tree in the park for testing when i have the inclination .

I did the same with DMT to .

 

[Jahvisions]

The solubility is for the freebase. The polar salt would never dissolve in a non-polar solution. Then maybe it is possible but I assume you suffered quite some loss or the Merck index is wrong.

True you have different petroleum-ethers (naphta), more or less pure and more or less low/high boiling point fractions.

Still, when the water-layer is completly neutralised, all the mescaline salts are in it's saltform, the sign of still being acidic is an excess acid. This is pretty difficult to get rid off, the HCl does evaporate but still it would attrack a lot of impurities too that have negative side effects and make acuurate dosing more difficult.

For dmt it's different(of course you know) because pet-ether is pretty selective and has a good solubility for the freebase nn-dmt.

 

[GOD]

Thanks for the info . If its right what are all the white crystals ?

 

[GOD]

Just another itsywitsyteenyweeny thought......

What about all the teks in the net for extracting mescaline useing petrol type solvents...... and all the videos on youtube ?

And remember merk gave a melting point temperature for DMT and claimed that a hydrochlorate salt could be made and then what uncle Alexander said about it = both are bullshit .

 

[Jahvisions]

What did you use, HCl?

Well if it's white it's probably quite pure.

So you what excactly did you do?
Did you extraced with acidwater, then basifyied, extract with naphta acidified with HCl and then simply evaporated the water.

Or did you put the cactus directly in basified water and extracted with naphta.

or did you do some cleaning and/or recrysrallisation steps

 

[GOD]

Choped material up , put in freezer in acidic water , out , let melt , do about 10 times , boil , filter , new acid water 2 more times + boil + filter , add together , baseify , aply wound benzine or naptha , swirl , let stand , swirl , blah blah , separate , try unsucessfully to evaporate solvent , give up , mix naptha / wound benzine with acidifyed water , separate , evaporate water .

One time whole process with naptha another time with wound benzine . One time with vinegar another time with sulphuric acid .

 

[Jahvisions]

I tried to extract with acid first too and ended up with nothing. Well I had pretty nice with crystals but it was probably a mix with salt, other plant materials or maybe mescaline carbonate(big change if you tried to evaported the freebase ypu have this too, you can have 1g salt while maybe it's only 300 mg mescaline) . I hope you have more luck then me. I pretty curious about your experience.

Because mescaline is pretty soluble in water, you have to do a lot of pulls from the water + like I said before the pressure cooking and especially filtering are intensive procedures.

Maybe if it's possible that naphta hold enough freebase, the conventional A/B is an alternative for people who don't have access to xylene or toluene. For anybody else I advise you to do an STB.

 

[GOD]

" I pretty curious about your experience. "

So am i . I was also thinking that the white crystals could be another part of the plant and or dryed acid ?

BUT.... what about the teks in the net and youtube......and even with straight to base teks they use naptha / a petrol product ......... or ?

 

[Jahvisions]

I've only saw one TEK before that uses naphta, all the others seems to use toluene or xylene. Also I've read some things on using d-limonene but I think it's quite new.

 

[Jahvisions]

So did some more research and saw indeed that more people have tried naphta, I am still not sure how yields and purity are in comparison.

I also read about a drytek, I even never heard of it before. So guess I have some new research to do.

 

[GOD]

Whats "Drytek" ?

 

[Jahvisions]

With 'drytek' no water is used. A dry base powder like magnesiumhydroxide or calciumhydroxide is mixed with the plant material being almost dry the non-polair solvant is added.

 

[GOD]

Thanks , it sounds very intertesting . Can you point me at more information please .

 

[Jahvisions]

Well I don't know if it's appropriate but some one else here told me about thenook.org. When you are registred there is a section, ionic virtual laboratory, here you can find a lot of info about extractions. I also look often at dmt-nexus.com.

Maybe there are some other good ones too, if anyone knows I am glad to hear.