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LSA -> LSH

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Supposedly when you use peppermint oil tea to extract LSA seeds, the LSA converts to LSH, which comes much closer to LSD than LSA does. Anyone heard of this or tried it?

Here are two recipes:

SWIM has done this with both raw seeds and pure LSA. All you need is sherry wine, mint tea, mint oil, or some other source of acetaldehyde. SWIM has made it in less than 5 minutes with just 1 mint tea bag, 1 cup of hot water, and a dose of pure LSA.

The effects at low doses are nearly identical to LSD, but as you take larger doses it becomes evident that it’s not LSD. It causes far more anxiety than LSD does, and causes side effects. There are other differences that are very hard to explain. For SWIM the main side effect that he hates is bronchial constriction. This kicks in after the peak and lasts for about 1 day. This causes a sensation of not being able to breathe properly.

SWIM tried counteracting the side effects of LSH with theobromine and found it works quite well. Nunaturals Pure Liquid Cocoa Extract works very well. It contains 10% theobromine and tastes fantasic.

Here’s the recipe SWIM uses:

* Put 1 mint teabag in a cup
* Add 1 cup of hot water
* Add 4 ml of Nunaturals Pure Liquid Cocoa Extract (contains about 400 mg of theobromine)
* While HOT add 2-5 mg of LSA (whatever dose you like, the mint tea is said to contain enough acetaldehyde to transform enough for over 100 people)
* Mix for about 1 minute.

It works great, plus it tastes REALLY GOOD.

Beware of extreme anxiety if you take too much. SWIM is very experienced with all the major psychedelics and never experienced anxiety to the degree he did from a large dose of LSH.
And:
Swim made a 15 ml LSH tincture out of 3500 Morning glory seeds
Swim did several militers under his tongue(around 3 to 4), it took two hours to kick in and swim had a heavy 12 hour trip, the next weekend swim did 2 hits of LSD-25, not nearly as heavy as a trip as the LSH.
Swim highly recomends this.

for the intensity of a standard hit of lsd you only need 1 ml or so
here's what swim did:

Step 1. Take 500 HBWR seeds, or 3,000 Morning Glory (heavnly blue) seeds
Grind them to a complete flower like powder.

Step 2. You need to make your seeds acidic now, so take your seeds place them in a container and make them damp with lemon juice, then cover the container to prevent evaporation. Let sit for 1-3 hours, then layout your acidic seed powder on tin foil to dry out, this should take an hour or two.

Step 3. Now its time to De-fat with your non-polar solvent. Now you need Ether, if you cant find lab grade ether its easy enough to get. (buy some standard starter fluid. get a peice of PVC, 1 ft in lenght 8th inch in diameter. now get a 750ml jar. spray the lighter fluid into the jar through the pipe. the ether will drip to the bottom as everything elses evaporates off.)
Now take your acidic seeds and soak them in the ether in a jar for atleast 1-3 hours.
then fliter off and layout your seeds to dry.

Step 4. Once dry its time to do the polar extraction. Place your seed powder in an appropriate sized container and soak with ever clear. Give a generous amount of ever clear at least an inch or two above the plant material. Put a lid on the container and put in the freezer. Shake the container from time to time over the day, the more the better. Then let the container sit in the freezer overnight. If you are in a rush this can be done I the time span of 3 hours, you will loose a little potency though. After it is placed in the freezer after the first hour check it with a black light, after several more hours check again. The liquid should be bright yellow and glow like crazy under black light. The brighter it glows with black light, the more potent. Once it stops increasing in brightness its ready, but 3000 seeds into 15ml of tincture will be pretty potent either way. Now pour off the yellow liquid (saving it) the best you can, then put the seeds in a cheesecloth and squeeze out as much precious solution as you can. You could stop at this step and dose with some of this, but it is hard to know how much to take at a random load of liquid like that. So lets take it another few steps.
(In this step the keep in a dark place, light kills potency)

Step 5. Now its time to evaporate the liquid. Take your solution and pour into a flat glass pan with a fan blowing on it. Make sure you do this in a dark area or it will decrease the potency of the LSA. Once all of it drys you will have kinda a waxy film over the glass, take a razor and scrape it up into a ball. Let it dry for a bit and chop it up the best you can into a powder. It tends to stay a little sticky. This can be done 3 to 4 times until your seeds are exahusted

Step 6. Fill up a 15 ml bottle with ever clear and set in freezer. Wait until it is as cold as it can get. Add the LSA powder to the freezing ever clear, then add atleast 5 drops of Peppermint oil. The pepper mint oil is very high in acetelhyde. When mixed with lsa and alcohol is converts to LSH which is MUCH closer to LSD than LSA is.
Make sure to keep it freezing cold or the LSH will convert back to LSA.

pistol pete added 4 Minutes and 50 Seconds later...

the LSH tintcure feels Nearly Identical to LSD
from the body high to the visuals
no nausea to speak of
so vaso contriction but barely noticable.
much better and much easyer to take than LSA

the tinticure can be stored in the freezer long term as well.
I was waiting for this information for a long time! Too bad I didn't grow Morning Glory this year.
 
huh, I thought LSH was a myth

EDIT: I meant myth.
 
There's no vault of Erowid on it.
 
Interesting. But I'd rather stick LSA, or D, which don't make my lungs feel like I just inhaled vapor from a burning poison oak bush. ;)
 
It's definitly a myth.
I' don't know if King Kong speak english (it's an honorable members of this forum with large knowledge in chemistry) but he totally destroy this myth in the french section.
 
Perhaps LSA is converted to LSH when you add the mint stuff, perhaps not. Perhaps the mint just makes you more shaky and whatnot. Shakes are never good for an acid trip. I'd rather stick to what I know works than messing with my body like that.

Lemme know if it works though.
 
Yea I was wondering how's that decyphered too :D
LS stands for lysergic acid [LysergSaure in German], H may refer to..Hydroxide?
Or Hydride. Anyway, I can't figure it out how amide transforms into hydroxide by reacting with alcohol and acetaldehyde [mint?!]

Quoting: "The pepper mint oil is very high in acetelhyde. When mixed with lsa and alcohol is converts to LSH"

(LS)=O-NH2+ CH3-C-H=O +C2H5OH -> LS(OH)n???

Taking alcohol with a psychedelic is a bad idea. Taking alcohol with psychedelic AND acetaldehyde is merely IDIOITIC, because acetaldehyde is what the alcohol is converted into once it's in your system. And in case the reaction above does not work, you're up to ingesting LSA, alcohol, and acetaldehyde. Your liver will definitely like it

:twisted:
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysergic_acid_hydroxyethylamide
D-Lysergic acid ?-hydroxyethylamide (LSH, LAH), also known as D-lysergic acid methyl carbinolamide, is an alkaloid of the ergoline family, and occurs in various species of vines of the Convolvulaceae and some species of fungi.

The structure is similar to LSD, with the N,N- diethylamide group replaced by an N- (1- hydroxyethyl)amide in D-lysergic acid ?-hydroxyethylamide.
 
Oh well. Thanks for the link, now it's at least clear what should we expect to get. Though I myself wouldn't ingest it until consulting with a chemist.

"Animal studies do suggest the alkaloid may have some toxic effects at high levels"
 
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afer a dit:
"Animal studies do suggest the alkaloid may have some toxic effects at high levels"
No source mentioned. How high is high here? When it comes to psychedelics, researchers tend to give animals ridiculously high doses.
 
Good point there. I've seen many articles claiming that ergine [LSA] in high doses causes extreme vasoconstriction and was shown to result in necrosis of limbs [in animals]. However, there are virtually no reports of such reactions on erowid. And there are A LOT of reports regarding LSA/MG/HBWR. So you're probably right about enormous dosages given by researchers...
 
Ive heard of LSH. I hear it causes extreme bronchial constriction which is your throat closing up as well as the vasco-constriction LSA causes... no good. Swim took LSA last night It was 48 hours after swims last LSA experience and he took 13 this time, extreme vasco-constriction, he had the doughy backs of his fingers, pale and numb hands, graying some what. He was able to stay calm tho, he just did some push ups and took a warm shower to increase his blood flow.
 
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