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...jesus wouldn't have let himself kill if he wanted to control his fellows. I don't hope and think that you believe that the world before Jesus was free-er than after him.

I already said that the instituization of jesus' ideas was a fault. It was an attempt to bind instead of uniting. But it doesn't seem to me as if you were going into this point.

To be honest, I don't get your point. You say you want to free people but that's exactly what these people wanted to do. I agree, that some of them were historically - or as we would nowadays say - sociologically ignorant but that's a complete other story. I will not disagree that the church was good.

You also say that the problem is in the teaching - that if you behave good (innoscent), someone will come and exploit you.

That's something different. I see that this is so nowadays but in a "perfect world" that wouldn't be so. I don't believe that what you say is a neccessity. It happened - yes - but if this is a part of the human nature or nurture is not very clear. Saying that people tend to be evil is simply not true.
 
Noone can 'free the people' if the people don't take the necessary steps to be free.
 
Wot !!!

I think that jewses and gandi were shit , that they were traitors and couldnt have done more to betray the people if they had been payed . Just like the midle class shit that calls itself pacifist and stands by wanking their egos watching people being murdered , being exploited , starveing to death and dyeing of cureable diseases . They were suposed to be about stoping suffering but they and their followers couldnt have done more to keep all the shit going than they did . Theres only one way to stop things like that and thats to stop it . Scratching your arse for freedom doesnt do anything but provide dumb fucks with an alibi so that they can pretend that they are doing something .

Try to think about what i`m saying and to think about the consequensys of what the scum that claims its for peace is realy responsible for .

Its just like the 2012 dickheads who think that they can watch TV , ignore all the problems in the world and it will all get magicaly stoped / healed / solved in the pause for the adverts . Those fuckers are the real war mongers , the real slave drivers and the real problem .

Think about it and become a pacafist like me . Be part of the answer and not part of the problem .
 
isn't taking responsibility for one's acts a step towards freedom?
"A man is a sum of his acts"
If you -and I don't want to sound preachy or something- give up your Ego and start acting responsibly, honestly and peacefully, aren't you doing anything for a better world? I am not talking about sitting before the TV - pardon! The teaching of Jesus are not some whiny hippy "ignore the reality" bullshit, it was actually a very aggressive way of breaking down these rapists and tyrants and begin acting human.
 
Oh sorry and i thought the last 2000 years wasnt any different than the years before it . I hadnt noticed that jewses had changed anything for the better . I thought that more people were dyeing in wars , of cureable deseases and hunger than before jewses started spreading faschist propoganda . I didnt realise that ignoreing others pain and suffering by turning the other cheek had achieved anything .

Wake up . Thats what has helped all that shit to survive , for the scum in controle to keep us in the dark traped on the tread mill being used and exploited . I`m sure that that impressed hitler and george bush and thats why they were only responsible for more than 50 million murders . Next time some bastard rapes my kid i`l give him a medle , buy him a condom and some vasaline and let him fuck my other kid .

If i`m going down i`m going down fighting not licking nazis arses .
 
I'm sorry, restin, for comming off in such an inflammatory way. Such is the nature of posting on the Internet. I'm a very shy person, but when on the net, well... not so much.

When I was younger, my parents took me to church with them every Sunday. I would sing, go to bible study class, read it and the stories. This went on for quite a number of years. I'm not saying I'm an expert and I'm not saying I know everything about Christianity. Quite the opposite. It's a long and old book, and a proper study of it would take much more time than I care to give. I just want to say that I'm not totally ignorant of some of the ideals.

There are some great things associated with Christianity that I remember.

I noticed how many people found a community that loved and cared for them. Some people in our church previously had no friends, were all alone with no family and no support. They came to the church to find an entire group of people to call friends. It some ways, it really brought people together.

I remember the way the church would use money from collections to buy food to feed the homeless and the poor. There was a large kitchen staffed by church volunteers that would cook and distribute food to anyone who came in on that needed a meal.

There actually are some great consequences of religion, but most of these seem to happen on a small scale. A few little groups spread out over the world trying to be kind to others, and note, mostly seem to be kind to others in their local communities.

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However, there are just so many other terrible consequences as well. The wars have been mentioned. Oh, sooo many wars. The crusades, the inquisition in the Americas and all the other holy wars. The Palestinians and Israelis are still killing each other. Jews and Arabs fighting it out to the death.

I know many will claim otherwise, but I just don't think Bush would have invaded and killed hundreds of thousands of Christian people in a Christian nation. Bush had is own war against the Israli people, and managed to get his mostly Christian nation to go along with it. I don't think most Americans would have supported killing other Christians.

And Iraq can't even come together and reunite to rebuild itself because of religion. The main groups of people there practising Sunni Islam and Shia Islam can't even come together, and they all practice a form of the same basic Islamic religion! I mean, wow.

Religions seem to unite people into a community where people love and care for the other members. But it also creates two groups. Members and non-members. And guess what tends to happen between the two groups? Fighting and war.

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On the small scale it seems like religions create nice communities, and on the larger scale, it seems like just another form of nationalism, with the nation being the religion.

Nation against nation, religion against religion. Everyone thinks their country is the best country in the world and will defend it to the death, and everyone thinks that their religion is the best and the only "one true religion" and will fight to defend it to the death.

I think the Christians in the US think they are right, their religion is the best, and forcing it and it's ideals on everyone through the enacting of new laws will make the world a better place. They don't care about my desire to drink beer on Sunday, because it's their holy day, it's wrong in their eyes, and they think it's a sin. I mean, they know the one true way, right? Same with the porn, the drugs, the extra "fuck you" zone around the churches that punish the sinners extra harsh because they sinned within a certain radius of their "holy building". Just so many of these laws seem based on the "me and my group are right and you are wrong" mentality.

What's so wrong with, we will do what we do on our own time and own property as long as it doesn't harm you, and you can do what you want on your property as long as it doesn't harm me? It's not there, because most Christians know they have "the one true way" and to allow anything else is allowing evil.

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I'm just so sick of it all. I want it all to end. I want all the little cliques that think they're the best to go away. I want all the countries who's only existence serves to war with other countries (sometimes I even look at you, USA) to go away.

I know ranting about it does nothing. I know it will never change. It's human nature to form groups and cliques. Though, in the first tribes in early society, I bet the cliques were small. Family groups. Later that probably grew to tribes of closely related families. Then tribes merged into towns, cities, states, even countries. It seems that over time, the group size of humans seems to grow. I only hope that one day, our ability to form ever larger groups will put us all in the same group, so we can stop killing and oppressing those in other groups. There will hopefully be no other groups. Just the one group, "humanity".

One can dream anyway.
 
Thanks for your comments , you have a good way of putting it and a good point of view ...... and some people , guess who ? , understand but just want to argue / debate ........
 
thanks for the comment, it made many things clear. I have nothing to add.

GOD: your Seitenhiebe are unneccessary. Thank you.
 
LOL . It was only one and it obviously landed in the right place . Thank you to .
 
I want to say thank you for the debate. You have opened my eyes a little bit and forced me to think and speak more clearly about the issue and how I feel about it. I feel as if I came out a little better for having the discussion.

I also want to say I really like these forumns and, in general, the people here. There are so many other places online where such a discussion would simply devolve into a name calling and personal bashing match. The people on these forums seem to be more thoughtful and intelligent than most.

Anyways, I guess I'm done with this issue as well. Thanks again for chatting with me.
 
We have our share of big bad slanging matches here to but they always seem to either reach a nice end or die peacefully in their sleep . If it happens dont be shy and dont take it to seriously .
 
can i get a group hug? :)
 
You can get a cyber kiss :heart: Cyber hugs are a little to complex :D
 
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