I want to smoke DMT for the spiritual experience.

[GOD]

"isn't the personal experience the most reliable? "

Yes .............. in a personal........ subjective way............ exept when its wrong , or we are trying to explain something .......objective ........... to someone else...................

"there is a post somewhere around about subjectivity vs. objectivity"

I think that you are thinking about "me" ( or "me" thats "you" in your case ) being the only objective fact .......

 

[Meduzz]

I think that you are thinking about "me" ( or "me" thats "you" in your case ) being the only objective fact .......

nope
i tend not to believe in objectivity as something absolute...
it's some kind of asymptote i think...

 

[GOD]

Meduzz , maybe i have explained what i mean in the "open minded" thread ........ isnt it strange how threads on different subjects start to spill over into other threads and we see that we are all talking , basicaly , about the same things ........ allthough sometimes from different directions . I think it shows that mostly we are all sometimes on slightly diferent wave lengths going in the same direction . = we are talking about the same basic realitys / truthes .

 

[Meduzz]

I think it shows that mostly we are all sometimes on slightly diferent wave lengths going in the same direction . = we are talking about the same basic realitys / truthes .

Yes, wave lengts that are so slightly different that they just don't destroy each other.
Maybe the interfering of these waves will form interesting patterns?...
Because going in that direction in complete resonance would be boring no? :wink:

edit: this is going waay off-topic

 

[????????]

I see a lot of people saying to Hive Node to try other psychedelics first and also that nothing in the world can prepare him for the DMT blast... if he's never done drugs what better first timer than the short lasting and intense trip DMT offers? I say go with it and then have some shrooms or LSD to better understand it all.

Although if you don't know how to smoke then that's a problem, you have to learn first or you'll waste the stuff...

 

[bloodbrother778]

"As far as i`m concerned smoking DMT is mostly not a spiritual experience . Its an atom bomb of a trip , and mostly i dont see the time or consciousness for enlightenment or spirituality . Its to alien . There is no controle , no contemplation , its to intense and i have never learned anything from it to bring me nearer to god or to heal my body or mind"


Really? to me DMT was the most spiritual trip I could possibly imagine and the enlightenment it brought me was immense, much more than any other substance could possibly do, it changed me completely as a person, it actually changed me from a hardcore atheist to someone who (as arrogant as this is going to sound) actually understands what god really is

Perhaps you're not approaching your DMT experiences in the right way? Or maybe you aren't truly ready for the experience? I've found that if people aren't truly ready they do not get the experience that brings true enlightenment. ~ just my 2 cents

 

[GOD]

"Really? to me DMT was the most spiritual trip I could possibly imagine and the enlightenment it brought me was immense "

Sounds like you only had one ? If you had more were they all so......... "spiritual" ?

"much more than any other substance could possibly do"

Oh wise one !!! that must mean that you have had every other substance in enough quantity offen enough to be so absolute in your.........personal opinion ????? Funny that the rest of the world doesnt share your ......"opinion" . As i said where are the millions of people using smoked DMT as a religeous sacrement and what about the millions of people who have had spiritual experiences using Psilocybin mushrooms , Mescalin and Ayahuasca over thousands of years in diferent churches ????

"to someone who actually understands what god really is "

Please explain it...........fully........now ..........and i hope its better than your last 2 cents worth your eminence .

"Perhaps you're not approaching your DMT experiences in the right way? Or maybe you aren't truly ready for the experience? I've found that if people aren't truly ready they do not get the experience that brings true enlightenment."

Perhaps you are being a little naive and childishly arogant all seeing and all knowing master ??? Nobody is ready for the experience , at least acording to uncle Terence and all the other people i have read about and talked to since i first smoked DMT 30 years ago . If you had true enlightenment you would not talk so much shit and you would have read what i said and .......... understood it . I didnt say that its not possible to get an entheogenic experience from smoking DMT i said "As far as i`m concerned smoking DMT is mostly not a spiritual experience" = "As far as i am concerned" and "mostly not a spiritual experience" . For someone who claims to be truely and immensly enlightened i would recomend you learn to read , think about the crap you write before you put your foot in it and maybe go to an optician and get your all seeing eyes tested .

" just my 2 cents"

Dont over value yourself , America is in resecion 2 cents are worth less than nothing........................

Love GOD

 

[bloodbrother778]

I like how people feel the need to insult simply when they disagree with something I say...... What exactly did I do to deserve that hatred you sent my way? I was in no way disrespectful in my post, I was simply expressing my opinion about something that I value very strongly.
I could say a lot of things to you right now but I'm not going to stoop down to your level and start insulting you because I do not feel the need to, neither am I going to answer your questions because the manner in which you speak doesn't deserve an answer.

 

[Meduzz]

I like how people feel the need to insult simply when they disagree with something I say...... What exactly did I do to deserve that hatred you sent my way? I was in no way disrespectful in my post, I was simply expressing my opinion about something that I value very strongly.......

You know GOD, it's just his special way of expressing his own experience and opinion...
If it would be personal, i'm sure GOD would do this by PM...
GOD is rude, but he only insults possible mistakes in your statement.
He could be a bit more friendly, but the worst part is that he is mostly right...

If you have issues with a person, please fight it over in your PM's.
I remember there was a topic about GOD once on this forum. That sucked...

 

[user_1919]

Everyone is intitled to there own opinions, and if one is not the same as the other, then that is fine. There is no need to preach to other people to try and make them believe what you believe. We no way resemeble organized religions, so let's not act that way!

Also we should try and get back on topic.

PEACE

 

[Forkbender]

Meduzz , maybe i have explained what i mean in the "open minded" thread ........ isnt it strange how threads on different subjects start to spill over into other threads and we see that we are all talking , basicaly , about the same things ........ allthough sometimes from different directions . I think it shows that mostly we are all sometimes on slightly diferent wave lengths going in the same direction . = we are talking about the same basic realitys / truthes .

It's Mycelium!

 

[buffachino]

isnt it strange how threads on different subjects start to spill over into other threads and we see that we are all talking , basicaly , about the same things

The segregation of any of these concepts only lies in ones own mind.
They are the same entity, and so overflow into topics that one may deem to be separate.
Yet are one and the same.

Peace.

 

[GOD]

Wait a minute . Who started being condesending , magnanimous and who was insulting who ?

"I like how people feel the need to insult simply when they disagree with something I say"

It sounds like you are used to it ?

"What exactly did I do to deserve that hatred you sent my way?"

Who did it again in acusing me of sending hatred your way ? It wasnt hatred it was sarcastic humor .

"I was in no way disrespectful in my post, "

You were condesending .

"I was simply expressing my opinion about something that I value very strongly"

You said it as if it was fact , as if you have become an all seeing , all knowing holy man .


"I could say a lot of things to you right now but I'm not going to stoop down to your level and start insulting you because I do not feel the need to,"

That sentance does exactly what you said in it you were not going to do , insulting me by saying that you would have to stoop down to my level , allthough you say that you dont feel the need to .

" neither am I going to answer your questions because the manner in which you speak doesn't deserve an answer."

If you were enlightened and you could you would explain it .

Please read your post again and think about what i say here . Then please explain to me / us your spiritual experiences , how you experienced god , and what god is . I dont want to know to take the piss out of you or to hurt you , i would just like to know . While you are at it could you please think about what i said and give your thoughts about what i said about there being no millions of peoiple organised in DMT churches where they smoke DMT for spiritual , or healing , or entheogenic reasons like there are for Ayahuasca .

So Bloodbrother778 , i didnt want to hurt you , i wanted to make you realise that you could have said it diferently . You came across like you were talking to a heathen sinner .

"The segregation of any of these concepts only lies in you own mind. "

Change the "you(r) own mind" to "some peoples minds" and you have hit the nail on the head.........instead of me .

"Yet are one and the same"

That was what i was saying , what i wanted people to think about . It doesnt matter what a lot of threads start as , many of them return to the same basic truthes , or problems that are looking for answers . It means that we are getting nearer to understanding ,to solutions......... and to each other .

 

[bloodbrother778]

No I'm not "used" to it, but it has happened before, I just didn't expect for it to happen on these forums.
What exactly did I say that was so condescending?
and if I stated my opinions as a fact then why did I put the words "to me" in the front
maybe it is you who should have paid more attention to what I wrote

I didn't mean any disrespect or condescension, like I said I only expressed my own subjective opinion about something that I care about very deeply, TO ME DMT brought a very spiritual experience.
I still fail to see why you had to barrage me like that.

And yes I am enlightened, as hard as that may be for you to believe, but even if I wanted to share that with you I wouldn't be able to as It cannot be described with words.

 

[bloodbrother778]

and if you weren't being hateful in your post then why would you add this last bit?
" just my 2 cents"

Dont over value yourself , America is in resecion 2 cents are worth less than nothing........................"
doesn't exactly seem like sarcasm
its funny how you get to judge and analyze what I say while if I do the same you point out that I'm wrong

screw this I'm done with these forums, I don't need this bullshit negativity from someone who for some reason thinks they're better than me

 

[GOD]

Please dont leave the forum , i dont want you to and i`m sure nobody else does either . I`m sure we could both pick holes in what we have said to eachother , but its not worth it . Lets just agree to differ and agree that we didnt intend to hurt eachother . Your opinion and experience is worth just as much as mine or anyone elses . Please dont take things so seriously , as i said i would realy be pleased to hear about your experiences . I have just gone half way wich wasnt easy for me what about you going the other half of the way ?

 

[Dantediv86]

dude seriously give us a chance...don't leave...