I want to smoke DMT for the spiritual experience.

[Caduceus Mercurius]

I have had two or three experiences of uber-joy on mushrooms that lasted for one or two hours which were so extreme that I almost passed out. Ecstasy was nothing compared against it

Indeed, in my experience MDMA gives somewhat of a constant feeling of intense wellbeing, whereas the mushroom (or ayahuasca) can really make you mad with a much more overwhelming ecstatic bliss.

I have had two experiences with smoked DMT so far. The first attempt wasn't that successful but it prepared me for the next try, which was pleasant and intense. I do not remember that much from it though. But the idea is to have a breakthrough experience the third time, which will probably happen within a week.

evolutionary advantage probably not, but i kind of have a feeling that our next evolutionary step will have something psychedelic in its nature

Maybe even an evolutionary advantage. Dedicated users of psychedelics tend to live healthier lives, and thus raise healthier children. Some psychedelics have a direct positive effect on one's health as well (cannabis, ayahuasca). So especially if this continues for a couple of generations, while the non-psychedelic users continue to harm their bodies with bad food, drugs and lifestyle choices for a couple of decades, there will be a measurable biological difference between the two "groups".

 

[Forkbender]

^I do believe that there is a difference between users of psychedelics and non-users in health in the long run, however, the group of people that don't use psychedelics is far greater and produces far more children (and probably more children on average), so that people who use psychedelics don't really have an advantage.

and most women don't like drug users.

 

[Meduzz]

using psychedelics is a evolutionary dissadvantage. you'll have more succes in this society at alcohol parties.

also the "drop out" of society creates a dissadvantage.

but i'm willing to give this advantage up for cosmic truth and happiness :wink:

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

the group of people that don't use psychedelics is far greater and produces far more children (and probably more children on average)

To compare the actual evolutionary advantage, you would have to compare their fate if only one group existed on this globe. Which group would destroy its environment (through overpopulation, overconsumption, pollution etc.) and which one would manage to create a sustainable human culture?

Some of the most ignorant and destructive human cultures are producing the most children per family right now. The religious fanatics especially, but can one consider this an evolutionary advantage in all respects? Yes, they do seem to "out breed" the psychonauts and atheists, but if they keep multiplying themselves (which they do), they're going to destroy the ecosystem and thus themselves, whereas the hippies have been in favor of birth control from the very start.

 

[Meduzz]

^yes but we live on the same planet, and they are taking us down in their fall

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

using psychedelics is a evolutionary disadvantage. you'll have more success in this society at alcohol parties.

What is success?

Sure you can get economic success by becoming part of, and supplying goods to, a large group. That's why Eric realized that the quickest way to get a platinum album is to make a Christian record.

also the "drop out" of society creates a dissadvantage.

Depends what you then drop into. Now that the psychedelic movement is growing and maturing, "dropping out" becomes less and less problematic.

 

[Dantediv86]

Meduzz
don't stress over it...justice will come and whipe out the bad disease as it happened with dinosaurs...when the balance is out of equilibrium there is going to be at some point a conterbalancing action that will restore a balance to another level...this planet is alive and we are but a zit in his history...someday, unfortunately sooner than dinosaurs (who were on earth for a shitload of time) earth will whipe the majority of us out of her surface and a new equilibrium will install itself...maybe we will thrive as a mutation of humans and another race will rise to be dominant on earth...i mean dinosaurs are not THAT extinct croccodiles and lizards are still roaming the planet...

 

[bloodbrother778]

^on what basis do you believe that? and how do you think it is going to work out?

Well as I said it's just a feeling, but I remember seeing a Terrence McKenna video somewhere and he was talking about the pineal gland and that a lot of the chemistry in it looks like psychedelic chemistry with harmaline chemicals and such, I think he was talking about that being our next evolutionary step in that video, that's what caused me to think it. Not sure how it will work out, but I can bet it will be a lot better than what there is now. I think that if more people had psychedelic experiences the world would be a much better place than it is today.

 

[Brugmansia]

Nothing you experience on LSD or mushrooms can prepare you for it.

I can't imagine what would've happened to me if the first psychedelic experience I've ever had was a true DMT trip.

Well, it has occured to me that there's a culture amoung some not let freebase DMT to be spread all over to keep the unique reputation of it.

I think however that, the endurance and duration makes a trip strong and not particularly the effect of the journey itself. Nevertheless intensity is an important factor.

Since you mentioned there's hardly or no control, then it's just a matter of doing substance it's work and going through the excessive wave of love with elf machines and the love you're receiving in an excessive way.

Never or seldom long-lasting HPPD or excessive bad trips are reported. Merely the underestimation of the expectation, but everybody here seems to be cleary informed, so that's no reason for not kicking off with it.

The more difficult and risky trips are with the substances which have a certain and noticeable chance of controlling with the possibility of losing it as well. That is not what you wish as a beginner.

However, DMT is a typical love drug and lasts shortly. It won't left any negative bad mark on someone.

One of the best measures to classify how it affects you, is to look at how you act in the daily life with your psychedelic awareness. And LSD seems to be the only substance who made it that far. Shrooms for instance could have never caused a psychedelic revolution. Due to the lack of enlightment and universal thoughts.

Taking 500 mcg's and doing meditation transports me to a bodyless infinitely universe as well. What flows through me the week after is simply not comparable with any other after effect of another psychedelic.

DMT is the lunchtrip, which is coming from the idea that you can smoke it during your break at work. And proceed your planning with no left marks on your mind, apart from the enthuasiasm of the experience itself.

My advice is just smoke it, have a nice setting and couch to lay on, just kick off and prepare the mind to go through something overwhelming, but pleasant and lovely flavored.

 

[PotionMaster]

Start with 0,02g DMT, so u can feel what it is. Try to let everything go and relax. Repeat the 0,02 a couple of times and when u feel confidense go for 0,03g. The rest is up to u haw deep u wanna go into the rabbit hole..

Don't smoke it 15 min after ur first trip, let there be 1,5 hour between ur trips because of the MAO (u don't feel anything).

 

[PotionMaster]

Start with 0,02g DMT, so u can feel what it is. Try to let everything go and relax. Repeat the 0,02 a couple of times and when u feel confidense go for 0,03g. The rest is up to u haw deep u wanna go into the rabbit hole..

Don't smoke it 15 min after ur first trip, let there be 1,5 hour between ur trips because of the MAO (u don't feel anything).

 

[bloodbrother778]

brug:
I don't agree with most of what you've said, however I don't feel like arguing as I've found it to be pointless, It just seems to me that you do not really have an understanding of what DMT really is, have you ever actually broken through on it?

 

[Guest]

Shrooms for instance could have never caused a psychedelic revolution. Due to the lack of enlightment and universal thoughts.

What?! Have you ever even done mushrooms?

 

[Brugmansia]

Have you ever read history?

 

[Brugmansia]

brug:
I don't agree with most of what you've said, however I don't feel like arguing as I've found it to be pointless, It just seems to me that you do not really have an understanding of what DMT really is, have you ever actually broken through on it?

No, I was refering to your contradiction and shared my input about whether smoking DMT was a suitable choice to start with or not.

 

[Brugmansia]

But, let's agree to disagree.

I'll agree to disagree...
But you know I love you right?

 

[bloodbrother778]

Well if you've never tried DMT you shouldn't talk about it like you know what it is, saying things like its a typical love drug, lunch trip, and won't leave any bad marks is profoundly misleading, don't give advice to a first timer about something you have no clue about, I've known people to have the worst trip of their lives on it simply because they weren't ready and did not respect it for what it is, I myself was completely changed by my trip and was barely even able to function normally for weeks afterwards, LSD could never hope to do that for me. Also, just because it doesn't last very long doesn't mean it isn't a long trip, usually time slows down so much that people feel like they are in there for hours rather than minutes, I in particular felt like I had spent an eternity in contact with god on my first experience. There's a reason why people who have tried DMT say that it is the most amazing thing ever. How many people say the same about LSD? Not everyone who's tried it I guarantee you that.

 

[Brewmaster]

:bear:

Hello friends.
Long, busy summer- no time for internet. No computers in the woods.
I miss you all.

Just wanted to put in a few thoughts as this is something very special to me.
DMT is the greatest experience I've ever had. I wouldn't choose it over sex simply because I need sex in order to function but it is something that changed me forever.

If you have can get it or have the means to make it ( EASY ), I would say go for it. I feel like I know something that a lot of people will never know. There's a certain cosmic understanding that comes with using DMT. I know I'm no genius but when I look at most people on the street I feel like I know something they don't.
It is experiencing another dimension or plane of existence. It's something that we were never meant to see but if you can get there......sweet Jesus it is beautiful!!!!!!!!

 

[GOD]

"Shrooms for instance could have never caused a psychedelic revolution. Due to the lack of enlightment and universal thoughts. "

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Gordon wasson . Oss and Oeric , Timothy Leary and Carlos Casaneda didnt exist and had no effect ????? Psilocybin mushrooms had at least as much a part in causing the psychedelic revolution as LSD did . LSD was and is seen as an illegal chemical substance , mushrooms have an acepted cultural background.......for thousands of years . The scientific establishment acepted mushrooms long before LSD . LSD had a bad name , was banned and had to hide for many years while mushrooms were beeing spread around by psychonauts all across Europe and the Americas . Your post seems very subjective to me , reflecting your own personal experiences with both substances .


Another thing . As far as i`m concerned smoking DMT is mostly not a spiritual experience . Its an atom bomb of a trip , and mostly i dont see the time or consciousness for enlightenment or spirituality . Its to alien . There is no controle , no contemplation , its to intense and i have never learned anything from it to bring me nearer to god or to heal my body or mind . There is no preperation for smoking DMT , no other drug is comparable . But i think its better to get experience with LSD , mushrooms , Mescalin or especialy Ayahuasca first . As space says with smoked DMT there is no way to trust that you come down in a few minutes . When you are there earthly time is irelevant . If someone used smoked DMT as their first "drug" and didnt like it i am sure that it would probably stop them from ever trying and other "drug" . Millions of people take and have taken LSD , Mescalin , Psilocybin and Ayahuasca regularly alone , in organised churches and with curanderos / shamen for spiritual experiences , growth and healing . Have you ever heard of masses of people smoking DMT for those reasons ?

"Have you ever read history?"

Thats exactly what i am saying to you .


If you want a spiritual experience use LSD , Mescalin , Psilocybin or Ayahuasca . Take a good dose after not eating for 4 hours , empty your mind and meditate on Love , Light and Healing .

Brewmaster , it sounds like you have been in Yosemite heaven again ???

 

[Meduzz]

Your post seems very subjective to me , reflecting your own personal experiences with both substances .

in my humble opinion, isn't the personal experience the most reliable?
some like it, some don't :wink:
you even gave your personal thought about DMT after this quote, which was enlighting and interesting.

there is a post somewhere around about subjectivity vs. objectivity. :idea: