I am curious... NEED OPINIONS.

[Baking[Van]]

I've been running low on weed for quite some time now, and I am looking for a different kind of high at the moment. I've been to my local smoke shop, (which has the grandiose name of "Hippies") and they sell Salvia, which was sitting rather nonchalantly in the display case. It being situated there piqued my interest. I've heard about this magical substance and often wondered how it would affect me and if I would like it. Of course, my friends have done it without any regrets and they've told me about their great adventures; but that doesn't stop me from wondering, myself! Now now now... before I go back down to Hippies and throw down the bones for a tiny "vile" (for lack of a better word) of Salvia Divinorum, I would like to know what you, my fellow psychonauts, would recommend.

As a smoker of strictly Marijuana, would this be a giant leap? Should I try Shrooms first? Or something else?

And here are a few extra questions:

1. How is Salvia legal even when it is known to psychologically affect the human brain much like Shrooms or any other psychoactive "drug"?

2. What is the proper amount to smoke in one sitting?

3. Should I smoke it? Is there another way? (When high, I don't like to be bothered by the remains of a harsh hit; itchy throat, heated breathing, etc.)

4. I would like to work my way up to DMT (dimethytryptamine), what order of substances should I try in what time frame before trying DMT?


Thank you in advance for all of your help. This is a great gathering of a very intellectual and adventurous group of people. I wish the best for all of you. Even if you can't answer my questions, your kind words are always welcome. We aren't that much different from each other. So come, smoke a bowl and relax with I. Peace&LOVE, brothers and sisters.

 

[magickmumu]

Salvia is not a substitute for weed!!!!!!

 

[Mikey_Massacre]

Of course its not. But I would recommend doing Salvia before shrooms.

I'm not sure why its legal,its a a big mistake of big brothers agenda.

I suggest you buy 0,5 g. But what kind of ectract is it? x20? x40 or more?

Yes you smoke it. But the smoke is not as good as MJ. Sorry,nothing is for free,If you know what I mean.

In my personal opinion DMT should be the last. When you have only smoked MJ,DMT at the beginning would not be a good idea.

 

[Meduzz]

I doesn't work as a substitute for cannabis, and if you're interested in psychedelics I would advice a low dose of shrooms before salvia. Salvia can get too dissapointing or even to overwhelming for a first time, while shrooms are more stable. Salvia doesn't really give an idea about what's going on with LSD, shrooms, DMT,... either.

About "working your way up": Just try shrooms or LSD to have an idea how it works, and what it does. And then read a lot and decide if you want it or not.
"Working your way up" to a substance is a silly concept imo. If you want something, take it (assuming that you are well informed about the substance first.)

Here's a good site about salvia: http://www.sagewisdom.org/

 

[Oknayd]

I would recommend doing shrooms first. For me the salvia (extract) experience was very overwhelming. Personally i think it's easier ending up with something traumatic than with a tryptamine like psilocybine (i'm speaking of smoked extract)
offcourse in my case it was my intention to plunge in at once as deep as i could right the first time (and no regrets).
I haven't had a good effect with smoking the plain leaves, but a good friend of me used it to help her with meditation.
btw salvia is not a tryptamine and it's effects are very different.

now, enough with the rambling and on to your questions

1. -

2. depends on what you want from it, is it extract you want to smoke?

3. There is the quid method

4. There is no right answer for this one, if you feel ready you feel ready..


i'm sure someone else on this forum can answer your questions better than me, but i would definitely check this site http://www.sagewisdom.org/

 

[Mikey_Massacre]

Wow,now I checked out the shop from sagewisdom,and there is a liquid version of Salvia

 

[Faust]

I wouldn't worry about DMT. It's like a bungeejump into outer-space. You will not have any control over it and it will be over very quickly, there's not alot that can go wrong.

When you're looking for the effects of weed, don't smoke salvia at all. It's way different. It hasn't done much good to me at all. I don't really get that trippy on it and I don't really enjoy the buzz you get from it either.
But if you wanna give it a go don't worry about doing mushrooms first. It's way different and it's not like you can 'practise' for a trip on salvia when you're high on mushrooms.

 

[Baking[Van]]

I'm afraid most of you have misinterpretted my original query. I'm not looking for a substitute for weed, I'm just looking to climb higher and experience new things! I will always be smoking cannabis, nothing can ever substitute its unique sensation.

But I do thank those who have answered my other questions. I greatly appreciate it.

 

[GOD]

If you want to learn something and grow do psilocybin mushrooms , LSD , mescaline and / or ayahuasca .

 

[Baking[Van]]

I thank you for the reassurement. That was the exact order I was going to go by after reading many of Robert Anton Wilson's books; namely The Cosmic Trigger: Final Secret of the Illuminati . He opened my eyes to many of these "drugs" (again, for lack of a better word). I've thought about it for months. I'm trying to get myself prepared. I can't wait to go on the journey now!

PS. I was given a lovely nug today as a precious gift to brighten my morning. It helped. I feel like a million dollars.

 

[ophiuchus]

]

As a smoker of strictly Marijuana, would this be a giant leap? Should I try Shrooms first? Or something else?

And here are a few extra questions:

1. How is Salvia legal even when it is known to psychologically affect the human brain much like Shrooms or any other psychoactive "drug"?

2. What is the proper amount to smoke in one sitting?

3. Should I smoke it? Is there another way? (When high, I don't like to be bothered by the remains of a harsh hit; itchy throat, heated breathing, etc.)

4. I would like to work my way up to DMT (dimethytryptamine), what order of substances should I try in what time frame before trying DMT?

weed to salvia= quantum leap. have a sitter watch you (or film you better yet, trust me, you'll want to watch that shit afterwards XD) but yeah, be careful because it CAN be overwhelming or even traumatic...

1. no clue on why its legal, my theory is because it is usually such a sort duration of actual tripping. (30 sec to a minute or so, followed by a "strange" high to say the least.) i find the "afterhigh" and transition back to reality rather uncomfortable actuallly, it made me very irritable and i felt very warm (sweating)...

2. smoke it out of a bong or bubbler ONLY. the smoke is not satisfying imo, and you'll need a HUGE rip, or two, to feel anything (the actual trip, instead of a lame "high". ((this also depends on the potency though, my knowledge is of 5-10 extract (((anything higher than 20x is marketing ploy B.S. even the liquid can only be a concentrate of 20x.. there is also no standard of measure between diff companies, so keep this in mind as well)))

3. the smoke is not tasty as with mj, if i were to do it again, i would use the quid method, as it lasts much longer, and is apparently less of a shotgun blast to derfuck land and more of a natural transition, probably alot more "exploring" you could do with it and yourself.

4. i would recommend a small (1-2 grams) dose of some "lab" grown mushrooms (not fieldies) first and foremost (besides salvia because it doesn't even compare to anything else, its either jump in or dont), because you make like the IDEA of doing these things, but once you're there you MAY or MAY NOT, so start low. if you like it, i'd do some acid after that, anything else is foreign to me, but i would definitely like to try some of the other things listed here. probably peyote or mescaline. anyways, enough rambling, if you do do it, film it and post on here please, it would be a great laugh for everybody haha. peace

 

[GOD]

If i were you i`d chew saliva . Take fresh leaves and make a ball out of them and then chew them a bit . Your not trying to chew them small , you just want to break the cells in the leaves . Get it into one of your cheeks and chew it a bit and suck on it . But dont swallow the liquid . You will feel it start to hit you , when it does spit the quid out . Do it lying down and when it starts close your eyes . When it hits your going to loose contact with your every day life you and get catapulted into a totaly new reality .

If i were you i wouldnt take less than 5 grams of dryed Cubensis .

 

[st.bot.32]

the oral dose is as close to mushrooms/lsd as salvia gets, which still isn't really very close at all, but it definitely gives you an idea of how your senses and consciousness can gradually change in a way very different from thc. i'd try it too if you can get leaves, just be prepared as if you have a high tolerance you may have to go through several big, fat quids back to back

whichever you try first, salvia is very alien and distinct from the classic psychedelics.

the first psychedelic i did was some good blotter acid, and it was an unforgettable night, beautiful, difficult, but very insightful. i'm personally glad i did acid before mushrooms, but that is just me.. there are others who feel differently, and honestly whichever you do first, i don't think it matters as long as you have a comfortable, good set and setting, with experienced people around for the first time

 

[Rymmen]

most people don't like it. it's pretty thrilling, in my opinion.

 

[Baking[Van]]

Ah. I don't know what it is that is relaxing me so much. I'm not sure if it is the weed or the result of a massage I got earlier today. Anywho, I feel great and that is all that matters. But that is beside the point, I just read all of your great comments, and boy, am I ready for this. I'm just not sure when I should start, I know that sounds weird but I just feel like I need let go of my ego and keep it in the background; I don't want it to be so prominent anymore. That is one thing I have read (and heard) from these outstanding psychonaut greats (R.A.W., Terrence McKenna, Timothy Leary): you have to let your ego take the backseat because if you don't, the psychodelics will literally blow your mind. I want to let my ego go gradually, I don't want it to be obliterated. I'd like to say goodbye to myself as it goes away. That being said, I hope I can convince myself that I am prepared to embark upon this epic journey. Not only am I going to be ingesting and experimenting with these substances, I will be meditating and trying new things like travel, being more in touch with the Earth, taking a look inside to see who I really am, and opening myself up to more people. I believe Marijuana has tought me many ideas on how I should live my life. I have an ideal perception on how I should live my life, and being active, eating healthy, loving people, loving myself, being kind to things around me, those will all help me in the long haul.

Hmmm... I seem to have gotten a little off track. So, here are a few more questions for all of you:

1. How do I get these leaves? Am I able to purchase them in a store? Or can I simply grow them by myself?

2. Could someone run me through on how to perform this quid ritual? I had a visual when I was reading one of your comments, but I wasn't sure what exactly I need to do.

I will leave that at that. I know it's a lot to read, but just bear with me here. Thank you again for reading my posts and caring for another soul. I deeply appreciate all of your help.

 

[GOD]

Get yourself a plant .

Take a few leaves and roll them into a ball about as big as you can get in your cheek . Chew them a bit in your mouth to soften them up and then put them in a cheek . Suck them and chew them softly and dont swallow the liquid in your mouth . Just try it its easy .

 

[Baking[Van]]

Hmm... I will do that, God.

This may be a dumb question, where can I get the plant?

 

[Mikey_Massacre]

Check out online smartshops and ethnoshops.

 

[restin]

yeah. But you probably will have to wait until the plant grows more. Maybe your first plant won't be a success, so be patient. Not too much watering (I did...could hardly save my plant). The dose for chewing is as I know higher than smoking. Erowid even says 6 gram dried for a common dose, I am not sure, I am also planning to chew but 6 grams are quite a lot.

 

[Baking[Van]]

I just did a ton of research and I read that guide that someone posted (can't remember who it was exactly at the moment, but I thank you. It was a very good read and very informative). I will be purchasing a plant and growing it and caring for it like a child. When it is ready to shed its leaves, I will take them and store them; only using them when I have a sufficient amount. This way I will have a strong connection with the plant by never harming it and giving it love and attention. This is also the way I will be growing my Marijuana plants. I believe that some plants are sentient and they think in a basic way; others disagree. But it is proven that if you love your plant while it is growing (talk to it, pay attention to it, never leave it without water, treat it like a child, have joyous feelings or sex around it, etc.), it will grow larger and fuller. So, that is what I will do.

When my plant is ready, I will be ready.