I'm fully aware of that this is avery sensitive subject, but there is no need for you to be rude. I just came out fromm the hospital and lost 9 kilo in 4 week. And since I'm little queer dude that catched pneumonia they doctors couldn't wait to tell me that I were gonna die.
Sorry. I researched this issue for the last 15 years. And the last years I came to a broader understanding regarding this issue.
It is not stupid people that are claiming those thing. Band like FOO Fighters, Nina Hagen and doctors from Harvard, Berkley and Oxford that dare to question this entire thing.
You have to see the broader perspective to whats going on in the World today to be able to realize that there is a lot of money in keeping people in fear and by creating different types of WAR.
For instance so has Henry Kissinger stated that third world depopulation, way back since 1974 has been a part of US secret foreign policy.
There are many truths out there. As a Psychonaut, could you please explain how come you're not more humble and openminded towards different view regarding this issue.
What is bothering. That you might have to change your thoughtpatterns.
Well what do you have to loose just being open towards any possibility?
Here is for instance the NINA HAGEN CENSORED BY WORLD MEDIA ARTICLE:
Since 1993 the german punkrockpop singer, living legend and icon Nina Hagen been trying to get an article out questioning the ruling hiv = aids belief... But there's been a TOTAL MEDIA BLACKOUT!!!
Dear friends of science,
I am the German singer Nina Hagen and would really be happy if you would take the time to read my article/interview that I've wanted to publish since 1993. But until now it has not been published. A journalist who works for Stern Magazine let me know that the "big boss" has given instructions not to work with AIDS dissidents. This reminds me of the press censure in the former DDR. But we live in a democracy and I do not understand why highly respected scientists from top international branches are not able express themselves.
I conducted my interview with Professor Dr. Peter Duesberg who is from both the universities in California (Berkeley) and in Kassel; and with nutrition scientist and author Bob Owen. Professor Duesberg is professor of molecular and cell biology. He is also virologist and doctor of chemistry. Duesberg graduated 35 years ago in Frankfurt, Germany and his father is the director of the university clinic in nearby Mainz. For the past 25 years Peter Duesberg has conducted research and currently teaches at the University of California in Berkeley.
An excellent often recognized virologist, he was removed from the list of aspiring Nobel Prize candidates after he exposed the "AIDS Virus Lie". Bob Owen, author and nutrition scientist, has written many books including: "Roger's Recovery From AIDS", a true story, and "Dr. Anne's Cancer Dairy". Both books have been translated into six languages and are available through Waldt-Hausen Publishers, Rittershude, Germany.
Thank you very much for your interest and I would very much enjoy feedback.
In Love, Truth, Understanding
NINA HAGEN
nterview with Professor Dr. Peter Duesberg (University of California/Berkeley) at the Alt. AIDS Congress in Amsterdam 1993.
http://www.aliveandwell.org
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"NOW I'M AFRAID TO SAY: 'YES, WE'VE MADE A MISTAKE".
Professor Doctor Peter Duesberg, from Nina Hagen
In 1992, as our young friend Andi was dying of AIDS, I knew what everyone else knew about this illness: when someone has AIDS or even if someone is HIV posititve, it is a death sentence! Today I know that this is not true. I have met with people who have been HIV positive for over two decades and are still totally healthy and naturally free of drugs. They refuse to take conventionally prescribed medicine such as AZT and other cocktails whose side-affects resemble exactly those of AIDS: vomiting, diarrhea, anemia and the continual reduction in T-cells; muscle reduction, fungus outbreaks inside and outside of the body, the destruction of the intestinal tract and that of the central nervous system as well! Then I met with Christine Maggiore, founder and head of America's only alternative AIDS organization "HEAL".
Together with other members I've learned about a lot of things to which the worldwide media until today, has given a mute attitude. Today, pregnant women who are tested HIV positive are prescribed AZT. Christine Maggiore has herself a two year old baby, has been HIV + since 1990 and both mother and child are alive and healthy! She refuses to take these medicines such as AZT and herself knows many HIV mothers who, soon after taking these prescription "cocktail" drugs, developed AIDS and died after suffering painfully.
Later in 1992, after Andi's death, his mother gave me Bob Owen's book "Roger's Healing from AIDS" with the words: "please read this book, it came too late for Andi". For me and many others who know about this book, it was a gift from heaven!
One year later I met Bob Owen and his friend and collegue Professor Dr. Peter Duesberg at the International AIDS Symposium in Amsterdam for an extensive conversation:
HAGEN: Professor Duesberg and Dr. Bob Owen, could you introduce yourselves?
DUESBERG: I am professor of molecular and cell biology in Berkeley and in Kassel and I study retroviruses and cancer.
OWEN: I am free-lance writer and I have a P.H.D. in nutritional science, and in the last few years I have written books in the scientific vein, especially about AIDS and cancer (Dr. Anne's Cancer Diary). I took great interest in Prof. Dr. Duesberg's work and have read a lot of material written about him. Already a few years ago I formed the opinion that Dr. Duesberg's work contained the most accurate findings (in the disease-system area we call AIDS) and I have read and researched almost everything that exists about AIDS. When I fell upon Peter Duesbergs work I realized that, step by step something was becoming quite clear: namely that the AIDS problem is very much "wide spread" and that it has little or even nothing at all to do with the HIV virus. And that if we really want to undertake something significant to irradicate this disease, we must begin to consider the real and most significant possibilites surrounding it's origin. I really believe that Dr. Duesberg has found it, that he is on the right path and I congratulate you Peter, I'm completely on your side!
HAGEN: Professor Duesberg, can you tell us more about your work?
DUESBERG: While studying retroviruses I became convinced that a retrovirus is actually the worst candidate for AIDS. In general retroviruses do not kill cells because they are not able to kill them! Their strategy, their lifestyle is to become a part of a cell and therefore a genetic parasite of the cell. They want their little contained home and thereby maintain their life. They cannot kill a cell! We try to explain the loss of T-cells due to immune system weakness, but this reto virusdoes not kill any of these cells and is almost never found in any of them to begin with! When we look into the white blood cells of AIDS patients (these make up the immune system) then we find it in one of every 8000 cells at the most. When we compare this to the loss of blood then it would be the equivalent of the loss of one drop of blood per day. If healthy, one can prolong this 100 years and still live exactly as well as today. And even if not healthy, a drop of blood does not kill anyone.
And yet they say: this virus kills almost exclusively males between the ages of 20 - 45 in the western hemisphere (and a few women) but this does not in any way make sense because THERE IS NO VIRUS. No virus- neither in plants, animals or humans - that fit this recognized condition, causes disease or kills! When viruses are the cause of disease they are very, very busy everywhere, they infect many, many cells and we develop fever. They work very hard against us and we work very hard against them- one will win: usually us but sometimes the virus. And then it's all over. But this virus sleeps in one in 8000 cells. It sleeps. And sleeps very deep. It is dormant or latent, as one says. It does absolutely nothing! Ha, and we should die from this? There is no evidence for such an illness nor such a situation anywhere in microbiology, pathology, biology or medicine. It's totally absurd! Bizarre!
HAGEN: How does the conventional medical society react to your theory?
DUESBERG: Montegnier (French discoverer of the HIV virus) was just here yesterday. They have multiple substitute hypotheses and they don't really know how they should react. They are obviously not able to easily express themselves, I don't know. They say they have an hypothesis and an hypothesis for the hypothesis and yet another hypothesis about the hypothesis. They talk about all these immmune diseases, about CO-Factors, they examine the question of proper rights, they look for helper viruses, for helper microplasmic bacteria. Montegnier alone had 8 - 10 new hypotheses. I stopped counting.
HAGEN: Are these the people who receive all the money for AIDS research?
DUESBERG: Many of them, alot. Billions of dollars are directed there. And the more money you pour into something, the more you can come up with mysteries.
HAGEN: And how do they react? The other professors, scientists?
DUESBERG: Well the main reaction after my address to the congress yesterday was overall decidedly supportive. And there was a "standing ovation"- I couldn't believe it! They clapped and clapped and rose from their seats which was a first at this meeting. They stood up and applauded! But on the other hand there are a few orthodox members who are angry. Afterwards I could experience it and heard second-hand information about it. They are angry that we have come so far at this congress, in pointing out weaknesses, the total blunder, the failure of this hypothesis. The hypothesis that cost us so much money did not save us one single life and the fact is, it caused the death of many people. THROUGH THE ADMINISTRATION OF AZT; THROUGH WIDESPREAD POISONOUS DRUGS THAT HAVE BEEN FREELY DISTRIBUTED IN THE WESTERN WORLD FOR LONG-TERM USE. I have explained that the reason for AIDS is the use of recreational drugs. The drugs that rock singers use...(he looks deeply into my eyes), Sex, Rock and DRUGS, the famous 3. And so they are. But recreational drugs, THAT IS WHAT AIDS IS IN THE WEST. AND AZT!! These two types of drugs. That is why AIDS is so exclusively confined to intravenous drug users among heterosexuals and more common among homosexuals who use sexually stimulating drugs (APHRODISIACS) like poppers, amylnitrate, amphetamines, so-called quaaludes and other similar types. This is what AIDS is. It is the only new health problem that has been introduced in the western world in the last 30, 40, 50 years. Everything else developed further. We live longer, we grow taller, we have higher IQ's. The only people who develop this disease are between 20 - 45 years old and are involved in introducing drugs to their bodies that create a psychoactive and sexual stimulant- these are the people who get AIDS.
AIDS does not appear in the average population; it appears in 90% of male citizens between the ages of 20 - 45 and 10% of women who are junkies. And that has never been given importance, all the junkies injecting. And that is a heavyweight problem. The fact is, the medical establishment to a certain degree encourages these people! They say "use clean needles"! And to use for what? To inject illegal drugs! Naturally we say "we're not the police, we don't want to explore your lifestyle and your legality, we don't want to supress your lifestyle and are very liberal towards you. Just be very careful not to catch the old virus"! This is a horrible message and tells people that drugs are OK to use. But they get AIDS from drugs! And then they are given AZT which is worse than cocaine and poppers together! Then you die within one year- with cocaine you have maybe ten years. This is what they call the "latent period of the virus".
DR. OWEN: So the answer is: it's unsocial?
DUESBERG: It is not unsocial! It can be very much social! And it is a totally preventable disease. It is a disease from drug consuming, all we have to do is prohibit AZT and take a stand against drugs. Not for or against SEX.
HAGEN: I find "safer sex" very important, especially for people who often switch between partners. Syphilis, Herpes and Gonorrhea for example, are again and again fought with heavy antibiotics- I think it's the life-long dosage that breaks down the immune system!
OWEN: You can prevent it through changing our lifestyles because we live in a drug-consuming society. We can see clearly that only a selective part of our population gets AIDS.
DUESBERG: And these are the people who use drugs! (And that is exactly what AIDS is). All the american and european heterosexuals who protract AIDS are intravenous drug users and homosexuals using drugs to enhance anal sex and using pharmaceuticals in combination!
HAGEN: Are they exclusively people who inject drugs intravenously?
DUESBERG: Homosexuals who have AIDS use a combination of drugs, especially poppers, Amylnitrate. Not all of them but many who have alot of sexual contact like Michael Callen- you spoke with him.
HAGEN: Ja.
DUESBERG: He said in his book that he has had 3000 different sexual contacts- that's alot of contacts!
HAGEN: What about the AIDS babies?
DUESBERG: 70% of all AIDS babies in America are crack babies. Mothers with long drug use pass the drugs to their children. This is terrible because every minute counts during pregnancy. Cocaine babies, heroin babies, many of these babies are born with horrible birth defects, have many different types of diseases and a portion are mentally defective- 10% are congenital birth conditions and hemophiliacs; 20% are "ghetto children" who are neglected by their parents, prevented from receiving good nutrition and eventually come into contact with drugs at an early age. THERE ARE NO AIDS CHILDREN IN BEVERLY HILLS.
HAGEN: Could so-called designer drugs like LSD, MDA or Ecstasy also tie in?
DUESBERG: Yes they are in this group. But is all depends on the life-long dosage. If you have a party with cocaine you don't get AIDS. It's like smoking a cigarette or have a shot of alcohol. I mean, if you do this every day for 10 years, then you are in danger. And that is what AIDS is.
HAGEN: And what can someone do who has AIDS?
DUESBERG: If someone AIDS? Well, that is a difficult question! OK, first of all one should stop taking these drugs! That's the first thing to do. And by all means not take these highly contaminated "AIDS treatment drugs" because people tested positive for HIV should no longer deteriorate as victims. It depends on how you look at it, you can get better or not. It's like when someone has smoked for 20 years. Either it is too late or it is not too late. If someone has been drinking excessively for 20 years, this can cause liver disease- by stoppping the drinking you can sometimes recover. Sometimes not. It just depends on the state of your health. There is one point where there is no turning back, just as in life, it goes slowly uphill. No matter what you do.
HAGEN: It is also said against the contageous virus theory that in partners, one can die of AIDS and the other stays completely healthy, living a long life!?
DUESBERG: Yes, Rock Hudson's lover "lives happily ever after" in Rock's huge house in Beverly Hills- the man is completely healthy! And Rock Hudson died of AIDS because he had used drugs.
HAGEN: As a scientist, you have discovered something of great importance! The world has to act on this, what do you think- will it happen?
DUESBERG: Of course I hope that it will be accepted.
HAGEN: It has to be accepted if the facts prove it (no HIV person who does not take drugs nor pharmaceuticals has protracted AIDS- for example Magic Johnson, Christine Maggiore...).
DUESBERG: It could become accepted. But that doesn't mean it will. The world has its own head, money governs it and it consists of huge commercial interests and career interests in the virus hypothesis. We have invested billions of marks and dollars in this theory and there is a huge medical establishment who have supported the virus theory, prescribing AZT to their patients for years! NO ONE GLADLY ADMITS THEY HAVE MADE A MISTAKE. For most people it is difficult and they don't want to say "I made a mistake"! They prefer to carry on even if it is false and ignorant. It seems so unconquerable that we feel as if having arrived at a dead end because nothing has been accomplished, no lives have been saved. And that is the strongest indication that the pypothesis is false. You cannot continue any longer with a hypothesis that doesn't produce anything available for health benefits and costs 3 billion marks or dollars. The fact is, there's worse! People have developed fear- fear for an AIDS test is unspeakable! Many have no insurance, they lose friends, their hope. And they say "OK, I'll justt keep taking my drugs, I won't live much longer anyway"!
HAGEN: I remember a young woman in an AIDS hospital, station 68, where Andi died of AIDS (after unbelievablely long suffering!). She was an ex-junkie (Andi was a prostitute who also took drugs). Although the woman's T-cells were intact, doctors still gave her methadone. She should have done drug rehabilitation first!?
DUESBERG: And others receive AZT and cocktails and are poisoned to death by their doctors!
HAGEN: What is the reason for AIDS in Africa, are there drugs in Africa?
DUESBERG: In the big cities of non-Islamic african countries, there is new drug trafficking just like in the west. No one has heard of AIDS in the islamic countries which prohibit drugs. In the non-Islamic countries the new practice of drug use among prostitutes has spread. Africa has a special AIDS epidemic: malaria, Slim Disease, diarrhea, fluxuating blindness, plague. In many african countries AIDS only needs to be diagnosed by checking the eyes, without a test. It is almost sure that if the AIDS cases were really examined you would find malaria, cholera and syphilis.
And what they call Slim Disease is a sign of indigenous nutritional failures and parasite infections like worms, amoeba.... through polluted drinking water. Unlike in our society where it's been restricted for years, in Africa antibiotics are available in many different quantities at village markets and it is customary to swallow large amounts. Completely uncontrolled, these antibiotics are taken against everything. All over the third world pesticides are sprayed over cocaine and morphine fields, sometimes by government agents, and because of that the drugs also become comtaminated. For example there have been consecutive vaccine programs where apparantly some villages have given people dozens of different vaccines. If you have the slightest intelligence then you know that no immune system can hold out. And it is about the villages when one says: an entire region is dying: and THEN THE AIDS VIRUS MYTH IS ATTACHED TO THE PROBLEM so that no one will know what has really happened- not only regarding vaccines but also deficient nutrition, contaminated food and a surge of antibiotics.
Add to this the problem of deteriorating forests: when the forest deteriorates for example, malaria flies have to urgently orientate themselves to lower levels. There is a lot of water trapped around the tree trunks in the rain forest and heavy vehicles produce large areas of mud with open pools. The new biological situation, recently named Gross Possibility, produces an explosion in the malaria fly population, also fluxuating blindness and plague; in addition are TBC, polio, leprosy and sexual disease. The whole thing can also be said about many other areas of the third world. All of these real tragedies exist because of our faults, through the exploitation that is cynically called economic aid.
Recently it has been officially stated from our own experts that countries in the third world who receive economic aid must repay interest that is THREE TIMES as much as they receive. The entire geographic and ecomnomic catastrophe is increasingly disguised (the count is left to rise with the AIDS virus myth). The cynicism hidden behind it all is the biggest political scandal since the second World War! Everything is fitted to the shoe of a virus that is totally harmless!
HAGEN: I hope that democracy and science and especially the media will stop acting like the famous three monkees where the first covers the eyes, the second the mouth and the third the ears!
OWEN: Dr. Duesberg has made full use of the entire AIDS scientific research and for the last ten years has been able to show, by means of AIDS research publications themselves, that no evidence against and all evidence for says that HIV.....
DUESBERG: ......is a harmless retrovirus!
