my only experience with woodrose seeds is divided in two; the first part, a very nice one, i ate 5 seeds, the effect started 45 minutes later and it was very progressive, it dures 4-5 hours, with soft visual effects, very nice mind and body sensations, but not heavy and powerful as trips, after 5 hours the effect dicrease softly with a very relaxing sensation, but then i ate 2 more seeds and 30 minutes later the second part starts, a bad one, i started with bad allucinations , confusion, nauseas, a bad trip that only stopped when i finally fall asleep. and i felt quite strange in the next day. so my conclusion is 5 seeds is the right dosage, then you can have a good experience