Get thee behind me nazis

[GOD]

Yes . I know its posible but i havent been able to do it yet .

 

[Forkbender]

I liked it too, although some parts felt a bit 'overmanufactured'.

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

Nice movie. The scene with the orthodox jews was especially funny.

 

[GOD]

Wich parts and by who ?

 

[restin]

http://www.dvdvideosoft.com/products/dvd/Free-YouTube-Download.htm
Always worked for me.

 

[GOD]

Thanks Restin it works for me to .

 

[Forkbender]

Wich parts and by who ?

I'm assuming you were asking me.

I mean that the director obviously selected his scenes carefully to give a message and not just the facts. It's a technique used by the mass media as well, so I don't blame him for it, but I don't think it is the best way to go. Let the images speak for themselves instead.

An example: when he asks the little boy to go to pakistan with him and he wants to stay with his family ( ), that is just a cheap shot at gaining an emotional response from the audience (which is the goal of the movie, but I already said it wasn't my style).

I'm sounding like a dick, here, cause I really liked most of it and felt that eventhough I don't entirely agree with the method, I do think this is an important movie that a lot of people need to see.

 

[GOD]

Its obvious that no one is realy looking for Osama Bin Laden .

Wasnt it eye opening how the muslims , even the radical ones , welcomed him and talked to him . Thats my experience with all the muslims i have ever met , they were very hospitable . I never saw a woman being mistreated , in fact they had as much to say as the men and said it .

Another thing i noticed was the luxury that the zionists lived in and the apatheid that the palastinians suffer and their poverty . The paranoia of the zionists . The piss small damage that the palastinians do to the zionists and the zionist megolomania .

Who wasnt hospitable ? Who wouldnt answer questions ? Who was very agresive ? Who laid hands on him ?

The only problem in the world are the governments . They are all totaly corupt .

 

[restin]

sure but you have to sell yourself or noone will listen to you. Imagine he'd let out all the funny parts, the background story and would just film his trip to the Middle East------------ noone would watch this movie.

Same with mass media. The media is not evil, but they also need to survive and go into extremes. The papers that have most extreme and shocking stories sell best. Even the news need to be entertaining.

Human greed for fun.

you're welcome, GOD.

 

[Forkbender]

Who wasnt hospitable ? Who wouldnt answer questions ? Who was very agresive ? Who laid hands on him ?

That's true. But for all we know he was trying to get people to talk on shabbath or some holy day about the war they were waging = we don't know their side of the story or he doesn't show all of it. In every conflict you need to show both sides, or else it is a charicature. What he did good was show the side of the muslim people in the bigger conflict between 'islam' and 'the west'.

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

Who wasnt hospitable ? Who wouldnt answer questions ? Who was very agresive ? Who laid hands on him ?

The religious fanatics. And as usual the most fanatic were the elderly.

I agree with Forkbender here, and also noticed it most clearly in that scene with the kid. Of course the film is supposed to be about Bin Laden, but because of that all his interviews become a bit silly. It's mainly the footage itself that is interesting and thought-provoking.

 

[restin]

Of course the film is supposed to be about Bin Laden,

???

 

[GOD]

The film in end effect has nothing what so ever to do with Osama Bin Laden . Its about the false images of islam that we are sold and have forced upon us .

I thought that the bit about the kid was absolutely irelevant to the message of the film and cant see what you have against it . Do you think he was instructed to say that ? Other kids say what theý are told or what they have seen their parents say or what they think they should = If he had lived in a fanatical world he probably would have said he wanted jihad . I have often noticed that when you speak to kids you get a better understanding of the way their mileu thinks .

Fork what signs were there that it was the jewish holy day ? If it was it would make the whole film a very bad joke , and i think he would have been told that . So before you dismiss the whole film provide some proof or at least some indication that it was the jewish holy day . For example were there any shops or open or people selling things ?

"I mean that the director obviously selected his scenes carefully to give a message and not just the facts."

Dont the most films do that ? I dont think its suposed to be a documentry . It was made to show the relationship between the islamic world and the western world and that they arent all fanatics and that we are being manipulated . But for it to be a total manipulation it would have to have been planned in great detail before it was filmed and he would have had to search very hard to get people to say what he wanted them to say or throw absolutely masses of film away .

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

Of course the film is supposed to be about Bin Laden,

???

When you write "???" I have no idea what you mean. I responded to one interpretation of "???", but then deleted it. Please explain what you meant so I can write a proper reply.

 

[restin]

This is a sign that I completely don't understand what you talk about.

The film in end effect has nothing what so ever to do with Osama Bin Laden . Its about the false images of islam that we are sold and have forced upon us .

That would be my whole answer. Didn't you realize he asks: Where is Osama Bin Laden? Where is Osama Bin Laden? Where is Osama Bin Laden? And the more he asks the less important the question begins to be. The question is completely irrelevant, the movie is about the people.

 

[Forkbender]

I'm not saying he manipulated the people he interviewed. I'm not saying that it is sure that it was shabbath or whatever. I'm not saying that it was a bad film.

I dont think its suposed to be a documentry . It was made to show the relationship between the islamic world and the western world and that they arent all fanatics and that we are being manipulated .

I agree. But I still think that a lot of it was juiced up to make it easy viewing.

But for it to be a total manipulation it would have to have been planned in great detail before it was filmed and he would have had to search very hard to get people to say what he wanted them to say or throw absolutely masses of film away .

That is not true. If you look at the film closely you see that he has taken the best parts out of hours and hours and hours of footage. (All those smiling faces with a perfect quote don't just drop out of thin air). I imagine there would have been quite a few muslims who wouldn't want to talk to him (for no particular reason), but he doesn't show them. I can imagine there are a lot of Israeli's who want the war to stop, but apart from the journalist he doesn't show them.

Dont the most films do that ?

Yes. But that doesn't make it right.

I enjoyed the film, but I wouldn't say it is an accurate description of reality, but a collection of impressions from 1 single person, the things he remembers most from his journey. That is nice to watch, but I wouldn't take it at face value. It shows that we are being spoonfed myths of islam through the media, but isn't entirely myth-free itself. It builds a new myth, that might be closer to the truth, but is still a myth in itself. That is my impression of it.

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

The question is completely irrelevant, the movie is about the people.

The movie would have been very different if he had asked more challenging questions. Because he had to stick to a particular theme of the movie (which has a particular title), his interviews and conversations lacked depth. The film was mainly impressive because of the scenes of friendly people and families living in poverty, war, injustice etc.

"Of course the film is supposed to be about Bin Laden" because that's the title, and thus the primary focus of the camera crew and the editors, "but because of that all his interviews become a bit silly" (for example in the scene with the two 18 year old students in Saudi Arabia).

 

[GOD]

The film wasnt suposed to be ultimate truth , 100 % objective or gods word carved in stone . It was presented in a way that could be acepted by the western world and watched by them . It was made to make people think . ( And you fuckers missed that .....duhhhhhhh ! ) .

What you all missed in the direction of theater was the show that the american army pulled off with the shooting and rocket launcher shit and then the pantomime in the friendly village where he had to be "rescued" .

Another thing was him going to the tribal teritorys and turning round . Anyone who has any knowledge of the area and the politics of the area knows that foreigners are not allowed to enter it so there was absolutly no reason to go there exept for show .

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

I`ve just been watching "Where in the world is Osama Bin Laden" from Morgan Spurlock and as Allah will it just answered all the questions , lies and poison that the site nazis have been spreading here lately .

I'm sorry, but this particular movie doesn't help clarify anything. It has very little to say about Islam itself, it's mostly about terrorism and wars over territory, which indeed are related to US foreign policy, something most of us already knew for years. It was an entertaining movie, but doesn't counter what the site nazis have written about the danger of Islam itself. It simply doesn't discuss it. Was Mohammed mentioned even once? Was the Quran mentioned even once? I don't think so.

 

[Forkbender]

The film wasnt suposed to be ultimate truth , 100 % objective or gods word carved in stone . It was presented in a way that could be acepted by the western world and watched by them . It was made to make people think . ( And you fuckers missed that .....duhhhhhhh ! ) .

That was what I was pointing out. It was made to make people think (in a certain way).

What you all missed in the direction of theater was the show that the american army pulled off with the shooting and rocket launcher shit and then the pantomime in the friendly village where he had to be "rescued" .

Yeah, that was kinda awkward. I wonder if they really shot a 'taliban' or just some peasant tending his sheep.

Another thing was him going to the tribal teritorys and turning round . Anyone who has any knowledge of the area and the politics of the area knows that foreigners are not allowed to enter it so there was absolutly no reason to go there exept for show .

I thought there were some areas where you could go in supervised (with a guide), read it in a lonely planet of the area when I was in Peshawar near the Afghani border.