DMT rumor?

[drizzit]

Iv herd about dmt occurring most naturally when birthed and when dying. But someone has told me if you take dmt there is a chance of it not occurring when your dying. That scares me but I really would like the tripp. Thanks for your time.

 

[ophiuchus]

this was talked about some years ago, without any real conclusion... what was established by general consensus (not scientific report) was that repeated dosing would be most likely to inhibit natural dmt production/release, whereas, for the most part it was agreed that, once or twice would probably not seriously/noticeably affect any natural dmt production/release.

my take on the whole scenario is: the psychedelic experience is can bring one very close to life and death, to help one understand what it means to experience this world; however, the psychedelic experience is NOT the death experience, so to think that death is just a big dmt trip is grossly oversimplifying something that can never be known until it is actually experienced, and therefore could never be known or talked about.

that said, i still do not wish to have regular access to (smokeable) dmt. i have done it in the past with interesting, yet inconsistent results (very difficult to vaporize it at the proper tempurature) but i think that in regards to that particular chemical, it is not something that should be freely passed around. i believe that orally ingesting entheogens (in line with traditional usage) is the most useful way to consume any entheogen. if nothing else, it is certainly the most natural and least damaging, and the easiest to process and make usage of mentally/spiritually.

 

[Ouroboros]

It's interessting , even more because i have smoke spice a lot of time.
but i don't think you can "miss your death" because of that, life and death is more complex than just chemicals.

 

[drizzit]

I feel as if the release of dmt at death just helps the passage. Not death being a huge tripp that'd be Awsome. I get bugged out thinking of suffering at the time of death... Thank you for the comment I couldn't find anything outside a circle of friends who could only make theories. This site is amazing!

 

[ophiuchus]

"death being a huge trip"

well, a lot of people tend to make assumptions that lean towards that. i think i agree with you though.

following this logic through though, one can come to some interesting points:

consuming dmt does not cause the body to produce dmt, as one is taking it from an outside source. so ones "reserves" of dmt would not be affected.

also, there has been no body part or gland discovered where dmt is stored, only regions where "we believe it is produced". adding another layer to this.

one important thing to consider though is that when taking dmt, or ANY drug, ones brain will cause the production of MANY chemicals, like: serotonin, dopamine, etc... so by this idea, it could be logically concluded that by taking ANY drug repeatedly, one would effectively drain the ability to produce the regular amount of serotonin or dopamine produced at the time of death, and depending on ones frequency of usage(abuse) would hamper and lengthen the time necessary to recover from this kind of drug abuse.

so seeing as how dmt is not even close to being the only chemical produced at the time of death, i find it best not to take entheogens with any kind of regularity. one never knows when their time to pass may come, so in my opinion, it's better to be prepared. also, i just don't like the feeling of being in "recovery" mode all the time. feeling "out of it". for so many people, that is what "sober is":"that feeling after a drug wears off". then they get high again as soon as their down, and go on creating this idea that being "sober" :tear: is boring!

 

[drizzit]

I love this knowledge thank you man. I needed to see from that prospective.

 

[drizzit]

It's interessting , even more because i have smoke spice a lot of time.
but i don't think you can "miss your death" because of that, life and death is more complex than just chemicals.

is it more then chemicals? what is matter? is it a chemical or chemical's? could gravity be a chemical or is it a dimensions? are dimensions made of chemical reactions? is the spirit a unfound chemical or is dmt the spirit molecule would a molecule be considered a chemical? i seriously don't know the answer to any of those just wanted to bust balls

 

[ophiuchus]

matter is 99.9999% empty space. dimensions are not chemical but chemicals are dimensional. everything we know is mainly empty, however, vibration, that is to say movement, plays a large role in what we experience. light waves, sound waves :smile:

 

[undertr]

I would say chemicals are just another way of looking at and describing matter/vibrations.

It's science's way of describing how matter behaves and changes over time.

 

[Remddd]

that said, i still do not wish to have regular access to (smokeable) dmt. i have done it in the past with interesting, yet inconsistent results (very difficult to vaporize it at the proper tempurature)

that's where vaporizer become very handy )

 

[drizzit]

Iv just herd it smells and taste awful

 

[ophiuchus]

imo, if it is to be done with a spiritual interest, i believe it should be done traditional way, one which has been done for thousands of years, and that would be to drink it as ayahuasca.

 

[sunset]

Iv just herd it smells and taste awful

it does smell incredibly wierd and repungent... i tend to think of it as the dying animal stank verion of chemicals but ith alittle mothballs... however everytime i'v smoked it, i stop being able to smell or really taste it at all... on the subject of how much dmt is acceptable, a friend of a friend smoked dmt for a month straight and after that whenever he smoked it he only saw gray blobs... noww, that guys a retard, and shouldnt of even had that much, but i just wanted to put it out there.

 

[Remddd]

imo, if it is to be done with a spiritual interest, i believe it should be done traditional way, one which has been done for thousands of years, and that would be to drink it as ayahuasca.

the only problem is how to hold brew long enough? (i did ayahuasca analogue with syrian rue and mimosa hostilis and my maximum hold of is 10 minutes , basically this main stop fro experience, my stomach cant hold it , maybe you have some tricks?)

 

[ophiuchus]

hmm, perhaps mix it with something agreeable to balance it's character. is it acidic? if so maybe mix with some cucumber juice(alkaline) (blender works) and or milk. if it is bitter, perhaps some honey or raw sugar?

i've also heard that the purge is a crucial part to the trip too, so i think if one can hold it for at least an hour or 2 then they should be fine... maybe that will help, idk. i've never had ayahuasca before, but i never had many problems holding mushrooms down either. the tricks above should work, depending on what it's like.

 

[Remddd]

hmm, perhaps mix it with something agreeable to balance it's character. is it acidic? if so maybe mix with some cucumber juice(alkaline) (blender works) and or milk. if it is bitter, perhaps some honey or raw sugar?

i've also heard that the purge is a crucial part to the trip too, so i think if one can hold it for at least an hour or 2 then they should be fine... maybe that will help, idk. i've never had ayahuasca before, but i never had many problems holding mushrooms down either. the tricks above should work, depending on what it's like.

the problem is not the taste, my stomach having spasm too quickly and basically after a spasm impossible to hold it, i found one tip how to make it more easy to hold , will try next time when i am ready morally )
""When you have strained Jurema solution, poach an egg or two discarding the yellows. Then place it into your solution of mimosa and boil lightly for a few min's. At this point strain the whites and keep the solution.. Now all the tannins have binded to the protein whites and left the brew. This is the best tannin removal Tek that shows no decrease in potency."

 

[ophiuchus]

hmm, i see. your body feeling like it is poisoned. that's interesting about the egg, ill have to look into that more...

 

[drizzit]

""When you have strained Jurema solution, poach an egg or two discarding the yellows. Then place it into your solution of mimosa and boil lightly for a few min's. At this point strain the whites and keep the solution.. Now all the tannins have binded to the protein whites and left the brew. This is the best tannin removal Tek that shows no decrease in potency."

this sounds great!

 

[Remddd]

hmm, i see. your body feeling like it is poisoned. that's interesting about the egg, ill have to look into that more...

yep exactly.. so i drunk first brew of syrian rue and 20 minutes later I drunk mimosa hostilis and 10 minutes after than my stomach has a spasm.. trip was still long and mind deep,, but i didn't go to other reality,, just was sick and could not move or look at light.. and funny part i had 2 more hands transparent like like invisible man under a rain.. and this additional 2 hands was lagging speed and move like a loop.. so i was drawing some figures in air with my hands and than moment later transparent hands stated to repeat this move but with way lower sped so i can see the image in air ) than i start tripping to my past life and could get back to any day and found a lot of tiny unnoticeable at that time reasons that grow in big fears or some stopping factors... this was really extensive revision of my life and it was all shown by feeling and some voice which not a voice.) so a lot of unknown and undescrivable that can not fit in our syntax )

 

[ophiuchus]

hmm. perhaps too much rue(maoi)? this will make one extremely sensitive to the substance, also if one had too many foods that contain maoi beforehand (of which there is a REALLY long list of common foods) then that would certainly cause one problems.

look into the foods that are maoi. i feel like erowid has a list like this...