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DMT Extraction-Goo?

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Hi all,

First off, new here and 1st-timer at DMT extraction. I want to thank all in advance before I go off into a tiny rant. I'm also very excited yet worried.

Okay so if you're not familiar with it, I used Erowid's Extraction Guide. I followed it for the most part exactly. Where I cut corners:

I had 12 mason jars so instead of using 1 group of 3 jars and going back and forth, I used 3 groups.

Seeing as how I wasn't using the same jar, I didn't bother to put extractions back in Jar B and I only waited 24 hrs for each extraction. I figured the only reason the 2nd & 3rd extractions took longer was due to coming into contact with the left-over.

The solutions however looked fine and I continued. I got to the basifaction process. It was very hard to read the pH level and I was a little worried. I had to use Phenol Red Dye if any of you know what I'm talking about, I couldn't get my hands on some pH strips. Phenol Red Dye is very hard to get an accurate reading but during both testings, I got the correct reading (yellow for the acid, reddish for the base)

It got pitch dark when I left it on the stove with warm naptha and seemed to be reacting. After doing steps 7 & 9 from Erowid's guide twice (skipping additional lye though some people seem to do so), I put all of the solution collected into a glass baking pan.

Day 1 passes, seems some of the solution has evaporated. I figure putting a lamp over it will help. It significantly does help I would say.
Day 2, there is nothing in the jar except what looks like goo and crystals. I looked at some lab notes in the Erowid guide and one guy said he scraped up the crystals and as they grouped, they became like a caramelized goo. I currently have this. Here's a picturefor reference.

Now here's my question(s): Is the goo a bad sign? I never heard of freeze/precipitation until today when it comes to DMT, should I have done that? What should I do with the goo (it's currently smeared on an index card, under said lamp)?

Most importantly, is it salvageable? :S
 
What you have is N-oxide-DMT.

What you want is NN-DMT.

If you don't mind, would you like to say the NAME of the shop you bought from, not the URL?

What happens with the mimosa bark is that after sitting in a warehouse for a couple months or something it starts to oxidize, the DMT turns into N-Oxide. If you're willing enough, you can simply reflux this with zinc powder to get N,N-DMT. But the way you described this I would guess you're not a chemist.

The next best option: just smoke it. It is slightly active, and you will feel something from it, however, if you have a semi decent product, you will also have n,n-dmt mixed in, and will still be able to feel that. Did you do a de-fat?
 
I defatted. I re-introduced naptha to the situation and put it in the freezer. Worse comes to worse, I have 30 g I can save :/
 
the n-oxyde is active, and still soluble in acetone, so you can enhance leaves just like with dmt.
It's not that bad
 
Interesting this is new to me, N-oxide-DMT and I googled a bit about it. I get that you get N-oxide-DMT with old leaf material but properly stored whole part rootbark should be pretty stable for a couple of years or am I wrong to assume?
 
if its sealed ina fridge in a plastic bag you're fine...

if its sitting in a plastic bag outside itll go bad just as a bag of cereal or bread would.
 
IJesusChrist a dit:
if its sealed ina fridge in a plastic bag you're fine...

if its sitting in a plastic bag outside itll go bad just as a bag of cereal or bread would.


are you speaking from experience or guessing?

I never saw mimosa go bad and I saw mimosa that was years old just sitting in someone's closet in tropical country. Cereal and bread are very prone to attack from all sorts of microrganisms. Rootbark filled with tannins and protective alkaloids is a completely different story


and as for the question asked by HeartCore, whole rootbark should keep pretty well for very long.. but anyways n-oxide is not bad, its also psychactive, just not soluble in naphtha so you need some more polar solvent like limonene (yay!) or xylene (yuck), and it doesnt crystalize... Also note that you can also convert n-oxide back into dmt using zinc dust
 
Nono... n-oxide-DMT is recoverable by DMT, atleast thats what my experience has been, and what people have told me.

It's oxidation of DMT, which is caused by air,, which is the same process that makes cereal stale. It's not microorganism contamination.

If you leave it in a vacuum container it will be great for hundreds of years. If you have it in a ziplock bag it will last as long as fresh cereal would. Earth's atmosphere is very hostile to chemicals that are susceptible to oxidation.
 
IJesusChrist a dit:
Nono... n-oxide-DMT is recoverable by DMT, atleast thats what my experience has been, and what people have told me.

It's oxidation of DMT, which is caused by air,, which is the same process that makes cereal stale. It's not microorganism contamination.

If you leave it in a vacuum container it will be great for hundreds of years. If you have it in a ziplock bag it will last as long as fresh cereal would. Earth's atmosphere is very hostile to chemicals that are susceptible to oxidation.

I dont understand what you mean with 'n-oxide is recoverable by dmt'... As I said, yes dmt can oxidize, but dmt n-oxide is not 'bad', it is psychoactive and some people even preffer it than dmt.

cereal becomes stale not only because of oxidation, also because of moisture absorption, breakdown from microorganisms, etc. Dmt doesnt...

Ive smoked dmt that was in some drawer in room temperature over a year later and it was just fine, it had gotten darker coloured but was just as active IMO...

and also as I said, dmt n-oxide can be converted back into the parent compound, dmt, by reduction through the use of zinc dust
 
n-oxide recoverable by naptha*

atleast thats what i have been told
 
n-oxide is not soluble in naphtha, if thats what you mean

you can test it yourself, use hydrogen peroxide to turn dmt into dmt n-oxide and try to dissolve the resulting product in naphta: it wont..
 
Hmmm... I wonder what I kept getting in my old extractions then - just a very dark orange/brown goo.

Possibly some type of fats left over i suppose
 
IJesusChrist a dit:
Hmmm... I wonder what I kept getting in my old extractions then - just a very dark orange/brown goo.

Possibly some type of fats left over i suppose

What source was that? Mimosa rootbark or?



Btw Endlessness thanks for the headsup :)
 
it was mhrb, 100herbgalaxy was the source... so I guess I'd say don't try them?
 
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