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Nearly 600 people joined the One Law for All anti-racist rally against
Sharia and religious-based laws in Britain and elsewhere and in defence of
citizenship and universal rights in Trafalgar Square and marched towards Red
Lion Square in London. Hundreds then joined our public meeting to discuss
and debate Sharia, Sexual Apartheid and Women's Rights. Our protest was met
with widespread support and left many feeling inspired and invigorated. It
was also covered by the mainstream media, including BBC Radio 4, BBC 5Live,
BBC Wales, and the Times.

The rally of several hundred heard a number of speakers denouncing the
policy of accommodation and appeasement of the political Islamic movement. A
C Grayling in his speech said: 'Once you start fragmenting society, once you
start allowing different groups in society to apply different standards, you
get very profound injustices and it is almost always women who suffer these
injustices. We have to fight hard to keep one law for everybody.'

Parisa who was refused a divorce from a violent husband said: 'Ten years of
my life is gone because of Sharia law. I want to stop it. Please help to
stop it. It is not fair. I had a good uncle who helped me to escape but what
about others who don't have a chance to run away. I saw that many, many
times.'

Terry Sanderson, the president of the National Secular Society, said: 'We do
not need another legal system running in parallel... Sharia is creeping into
our legal system and society and we must stop it in its tracks and now!'

Fariborz Pooya, head of the Iranian Secular Society, said 'the introduction
of Sharia is a betrayal of thousands of women and children and leaves them
at the mercy of Islamist groups.'

After listening to a number of speeches, including from Sargul Ahmad, Jalil
Jalili, Shiva Mahbobi, Reza Moradi, Maryam Namazie, Saeed Parto, Sohaila
Sharifi and Bahram Soroush the crowd then marched through Strand and Kings
Way to Red Lion Square with demands to end Sharia law in the UK and
elsewhere. At Conway Hall, they heard live music from the group, Raised
Voices, then joined a public meeting and heard a panel of distinguished
speakers discuss Sharia Law, Sexual Apartheid and Women's Rights. The
meeting was chaired by Sohaila Sharifi (Central Council of Equal Rights Now
- Organisation against Women's Discrimination in Iran). Speakers included
Yasmin Alibhai-Brown (Journalist and British Muslims for Secular Democracy
Chair), Naser Khader (Democratic Muslims Founder), Kenan Malik (Writer and
Broadcaster); Yasaman Molazadeh (One Law for All Legal Coordinator); Maryam
Namazie (Equal Rights Now - Organisation against Women's Discrimination in
Iran, One Law for All and Council of Ex-Muslims of Britain Spokesperson),
Pragna Patel (Southall Black Sisters and Women Against Fundamentalism
founding member), Fariborz Pooya (Iranian Secular Society and Council of
Ex-Muslims of Britain Chair), and Carla Revere (Lawyers' Secular Society
Chair). Sargul Ahmad (International Campaign against Civil Law in Kurdistan
Iraq head) also spoke about the situation in Iraq under Sharia and the need
for international solidarity.

March 7 was One Law for All's first warning to the British government and
the political Islamic movement. As Maryam Namazie said on the day: "We won't
stand idly by whilst the British government relegates a huge segment of our
society to sham courts and regressive rules and appeases the Islamists here
or elsewhere. And we will bring the political Islamic movement to its knees
in Britain in much the same way that people are doing in Iran and
elsewhere." She added: "We will keep growing in numbers and strength until
we get rid of Sharia councils and religious tribunal's altogether."

To see footage and photos of the rally, march and public meeting, click
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I saw the first two parts of a short BBC show called "I am a Muslim" yesterday. I had never heard of it before, so watched it without expectations. It turns out an enthusiastic muslim woman wants to sell Islam to the people of Great-Britain (a form of dawah), and will use every method used by advertisers and PR experts to get her message across. It quickly becomes creepy, because she wants to convert children too, and though she's a fun gal seemingly well integrated into British culture, her contempt for nonmuslims does shine through in the way she interacts and communicates with others (I'm sensitive to this because I've also seen this in the Hare Krishna movement). There's a lot of duplicity in her approach, for example being relieved when the Imam leaves her Jihad Media office.

I am a muslim, part 1
I am a muslim, part 2
I am a muslim, part 3
I am a muslim, part 4

A comment I wrote yesterday, simply expressing my personal feelings about the woman, written politely and without being offensive in any way, was removed by the owner of the video. Weird... I left the following comments now:

Hm, though I started watching this with enthusiasm, I quickly started feeling uneasy about her desire to push her beliefs on others, including children. It was also weird to see her being relieved when the Imam (basically representing traditional Islam) left her office.

By the way, fathyonline, did you remove the comment I wrote last night? Wasn't it written respectfully? I'm really surprised it's not here anymore, even though I simply spoke about my personal feelings.
 

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Just so people can read it .

"Hm, though I started watching this with enthusiasm, I quickly started feeling uneasy about her desire to push her beliefs on others, including children. It was also weird to see her being relieved when the Imam (basically representing traditional Islam) left her office.

By the way, fathyonline, did you remove the comment I wrote last night? Wasn't it written respectfully? I'm really surprised it's not here anymore, even though I simply spoke about my personal feelings."

Whos "fathyonline" ? What comment ?
 

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fathyonline is the YouTube channel that has uploaded the video.
 

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It quickly becomes creepy, because she wants to convert children too, and though she's a fun gal seemingly well integrated into British culture, her contempt for nonmuslims does shine through in the way she interacts and communicates with others

That's no difference from evangelical christians but again, that's expected since literalist christianity and literalist Islam share the same history and stupidity. Mohammed actually was an enlightened gnostic who gave women rights like the right to property and even divorce. As has happened with Christianity, there are made up parts in the Quran used to conceal the truth and make the people who express the truth, into heretics.

I'm done here really, fucking Wilders wannabees that's what you are, all of you. If you want to attack Islam, study history and try to make intelligent points regarding the origins. Try to open up a discussion with a muslim once in a while.

Bringing up individual Islamic people as the last poster did in order to discredit millions of normal muslims remembers me of a story two years ago:

"French women jumped of a bridge because of mushrooms."

Fucking hypocrites.
 

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HeartCore a dit:
That's no difference from evangelical christians but again, that's expected since literalist christianity and literalist Islam share the same history and stupidity.
Exactly.

If you want to attack Islam, study history and try to make intelligent points regarding the origins.
To attack Islam is not the motivation here, and we did go into the history of Islam several times. Even on this page above the post you cited there are links to a documentary by the History Channel.

Try to open up a discussion with a muslim once in a while.
Who said we haven't done that? Did you actually follow this discussion, or did you just drop by?

Bringing up individual Islamic people as the last poster did in order to discredit millions of normal muslims
The "in order to discredit millions..." is your own interpretation of why it was posted. And haven't you been trying to discredit millions of normal christians last year?
 

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"To attack Islam is not the motivation here"

Yes it is .

"in order to discredit millions..."

Exactly .

The whole thread is full of evil nazi propoganda presented in a base pseudo intelectual way by bigots and hypocrits who have no real experience .
 

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GOD a dit:
"To attack Islam is not the motivation here"

Yes it is .

"in order to discredit millions..."

Exactly .

The whole thread is full of evil nazi propoganda presented in a base pseudo intelectual way by bigots and hypocrits who have no real experience .

God can you tell me.
What is so great about Islam???
 

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i dont think its about islam being great i think its about people having a skewed view of it
in all honesty you cant say that islam doesnt get a hard time in the media
in comparison to any other religion its cops it on the chin
all irish catholics arent blamed for the IRA so why should all muslims be at fault of al qaeda
thats basically what it comes down to these days, most people that HATE muslims started hating them after 9/11 (or they started off racist)
i dont like any religions but i dislike them all equally (except Buddhism which i generally think differently about)
 

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"What is so great about Islam???"

I`m not trying to say one religeon is better than another or say islam is great . I`m saying one should look at religeons and their practicioners and be objective . I`m saying that that is not being done by the two nazis in this thread who are abuseing the forum to spread rasist poison .
 

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Well I don't hate Muslims. The world is not black and white you see.
I am totally against violence. But I don't like Islam as a religious and political ideology.
With or without terrorism.

If we talk about Islam there is one movement to take a hard look at.
The stuff that's coming out of Saudi Arabia.
These self proclaimed royals. Those with all the money.
They are the ones spreading radical Islam. Funding Terrorism.

By the way did you know that Al Qaeda is linked to the nazi's.
According to John Loftus The so called Muslim Brotherhood where supporters and allies of Nazi Germany.
This Brotherhood later got supported by the CIA.

http://www.john-loftus.com/
 

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Crimzen a dit:
in all honesty you cant say that islam doesnt get a hard time in the media
In my experience, the media (CNN, BBC, Fox, MSNBC) is always pointing out the difference between "(moderate) Islam" and "muslims" on the one hand, and "extremists", "fundamentalists" and "Al Qaida" on the other. To link the two together in a newspaper article or TV show would be politically incorrect. Most of the media, including the Dutch TV stations, will always point out that Islam is about peace.

all irish catholics arent blamed for the IRA so why should all muslims be at fault of al qaeda
No one blames "the muslims" (who, all of them?!!) for Al Qaida. Neither in this thread nor in the media. Al Qaida is the result of a very unfortunate chain of events. It doesn't matter who is to blame, what matters is what's feeding the problem now. And there is not simply one single thing that's feeding it. This thread is about the politically incorrect (according to some nazi) notion that part of the problem (and other problems not related to Al Qaida) can be traced to the 7th century, and before.
 

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Here's a good example. Yesterday a terrorist plot in the Netherlands was thwarted. The target was an Ikea store in Amsterdam many of us Dutch psychonauts visit.

This is the type of news coverage you'll find in the media (do a google search yourself for other examples):

Six men and one woman have been arrested on suspicion of preparing to carry out terrorist attacks on shops in Amsterdam Zuidoost on Thursday.

One of those arrested is a family member of a man connected to the Madrid bombing five years ago this week, said Amsterdam police chief Bernard Welten at a press confernce on Thursday evening.

According to ANP news service the man is related to one of the suspects in the Madrid bombing who later committed suicide.

He said all of those detained are Dutch with a Moroccan background and are aged between 19 and 64.

Although some of them have a police record for violence none has a previous conviction for terrorism, the police commissioner said. He added that further arrests cannot be ruled out.

Police were still searching four addresses in Amsterdam in connection with the investigation on Thursday night.
Or:
[quote:1uit3zfa]The suspects, detained Thursday, were six men and a woman, aged 19 to 64 and were identified as Dutch citizens of Moroccan heritage, Dutch radio reported. One was a relative of a suspect in the March 2004 Madrid train bombings, which killed 191 people.

The suspects' names have not been released.

Police chief Bernard Welten said investigators received an anonymous phone tip-off Wednesday from an informant on an unregistered cell phone in Brussels about the attack plans.

The informant named three men as being involved in the plot as well as the attack targets, which included a large furniture store and an electronics market, Welten said.

The goal was to carry out bombings in stores and kill as many people as possible, the report said.

Police searching for explosives went through businesses near Amsterdam's soccer stadium Thursday morning and indefinitely closed down several stores and a concert hall. It was not clear if explosives were found, the report said.

The all-out search included several homes in Amsterdam. Parallel actions were carried out in the Belgian capital, Brussels, the report said.

A police statement Friday said house searches and interrogations did not provide “any information that leads us to believe there is still a serious threat at this moment.
 

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The way the BBC and CNN news present islam is not neutral . Its not openly against it but if one compairs the way they talk about catholisism to the way they talk about islam one notices diferences . The other perfect example is the diference in the way that they report about the neo nazi zionist jews in israel and the islamic people in palastine .

" This thread is about the politically incorrect (according to some nazi) notion that part of the problem (and other problems not related to Al Qaida) can be traced to the 7th century, and before."

No it isnt . Just look at the name of the thread . Its a direct rasist attack on the islamic religeon .

"As you can read, religion had nothing to do with this."

You just destroyed your own argument .
 

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GOD a dit:
The way the BBC and CNN news present islam is not neutral . Its not openly against it but if one compairs the way they talk about catholisism to the way they talk about islam one notices diferences . The other perfect example is the diference in the way that they report about the neo nazi zionist jews in israel and the islamic people in palastine .
Yes, there is definitely a bias there, especially with regards to zionism.

You just destroyed your own argument .
I'm not the media.
 

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edited :)
 

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GOD a dit:
The way the BBC and CNN news present islam is not neutral . Its not openly against it but if one compairs the way they talk about catholisism to the way they talk about islam one notices diferences . The other perfect example is the diference in the way that they report about the neo nazi zionist jews in israel and the islamic people in palastine .

" This thread is about the politically incorrect (according to some nazi) notion that part of the problem (and other problems not related to Al Qaida) can be traced to the 7th century, and before."

No it isnt . Just look at the name of the thread . Its a direct rasist attack on the islamic religeon .

"As you can read, religion had nothing to do with this."

You just destroyed your own argument .

Why do you say this? "The other perfect example is the diference in the way that they report about the neo nazi zionist jews in israel and the islamic people in palastine ."
 

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because he's nasty.
 

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"Why do you say this? "The other perfect example is the diference in the way that they report about the neo nazi zionist jews in israel and the islamic people in palastine .""

Because its true , and because its a perfect example of bias in the press for certain groups and against others .
 
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