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[BrainEater]

True, I suppose if 50 years from now we have robot cops being manufactured by the thousands it makes it way easier to enforce such laws on any number of people

the question is whether mankind has destroyed its habitat until then. or whether mankind has destroyed mankind, but destroying the habitat (earth) would eventually lead to destroying mankind, as well...


but well, if you could manufacture robot-cops, you could then better take all the humans you have in your state and then put them in virtual places where they can live the lives that they always wanted to live. (matrix)

also the emotions that the humans have, could be used for energy and therefore provide the energy for the machine, which would tell their brain what they would be experiencing.

 

[restin]

Why do you think that this hasn't happened?


I don't interpret the movie that way. I rather think that it is an example of any system that exists. But that's another topic.

 

[BrainEater]

Why do you think that this hasn't happened?


I don't interpret the movie that way. I rather think that it is an example of any system that exists. But that's another topic.

maybe it has already happened, and we're living in a totally simulated world.

how could you know whether that would be the case??? being a brain in a tank.... literally....


peace.

 

[restin]

The answer is out there, Neo, and it's looking for you, and it will find you if you want it to.

EDIT:

Of course we are. Am I the only one who understands the movie? The Matrix is any system, our system. This quote shows it the best.

"The Matrix is a system, Neo. That system is our enemy. But when you're inside, you look around, what do you see? Businessmen, teachers, lawyers, carpenters. The very minds of the people we are trying to save. But until we do, these people are still a part of that system and that makes them our enemy. You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it. "

The Matrix is OUR system, where WE live in. There are no real robots, no agent Smiths, this is a Metaphore for our society.

We are in the Matrix. That's what makes the movie so genious.

 

[Subtle_Nod]

restin: Perfect.

It always annoys me that movie - not the movie - people. A lot of people complained that there was too many robot type things in the last one. It's a god damned sci-fi movie, if you don't want to see a god damned robot watch god damned bambi or something!



That's pretty much what they did at a job I used to have - give you enough to stay but not enough to leave, then you have to roll with the place. You become part of it's strength because you cannot afford to leave.

That's how life is now - there are things that are wrong that we theoretically could fix, I mean, if our soldiers simultaneously decided not to fight, they could. If everyone decided we needed a new government, we could.

It won't happen.

People are attached to their big TV like they are attached to their kids. We are screwed and people are too fat and lazy to change anything.

We on the other hand enjoy these conversations too much; we couldn't talk about the state of the world if it was perfect.

 

[BrainEater]

The answer is out there, Neo, and it's looking for you, and it will find you if you want it to.

EDIT:

Of course we are. Am I the only one who understands the movie? The Matrix is any system, our system. This quote shows it the best.

"The Matrix is a system, Neo. That system is our enemy. But when you're inside, you look around, what do you see? Businessmen, teachers, lawyers, carpenters. The very minds of the people we are trying to save. But until we do, these people are still a part of that system and that makes them our enemy. You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it. "

The Matrix is OUR system, where WE live in. There are no real robots, no agent Smiths, this is a Metaphore for our society.

We are in the Matrix. That's what makes the movie so genious.

yes. but maybe we are already in a real matrix ... i mean that your body and everybody else isn't real. or it's as real as everything else.... = real for you but still unreal


peace.

 

[st.bot.32]

the matrix can totally be interpreted as a dharma movie as well, so my friends who have studied buddhism tell me..

myself, growing up in a fundamental religion, i initially interpreted the movie more along the lines of restin though, people just going along with the system they have been born and raised in, never questioning it or themselves

 

[Subtle_Nod]

The answer is out there, Neo, and it's looking for you, and it will find you if you want it to.

SNIP

yes. but maybe we are already in a real matrix ... i mean that your body and everybody else isn't real. or it's as real as everything else.... = real for you but still unreal


peace.

This is why I say we enjoy talking too much to do anything - sure it could be, it could also be that we are a program in a matrix that only exists as a program in a much bigger matrix which could be in another matrix until 1000 iterations later we get to the real reality.

Reality, in everyday usage, means "the state of things as they actually exist." The term reality, in its widest sense, includes everything that is, whether or not it is observable or comprehensible. ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reality

That does it for me. If we see the system we can currently touch as the real system, we fight that one. Once we won, we would surely see if it was just a veil:

To do anything else is to not take the first step because it will not land us at our goal directly.

Paths need a beginning, an end and a middle. If a path did not have a beginning only a middle and an end it would no longer be a path!

Where we are now could be reality, but it may not be. What is certain is that this is the beginning of the path. To not walk that path because we cannot see it's end is lunacy - we know it has an end, it would not be a path otherwise. Interesting discussion anyway.

 

[restin]

the matrix can totally be interpreted as a dharma movie as well, so my friends who have studied buddhism tell me..

Could you give some info on that?

yes. but maybe we are already in a real matrix ... i mean that your body and everybody else isn't real. or it's as real as everything else.... = real for you but still unreal

This question reminds me of the question of God/divinity.

We people live in a system. Our system. Matter. Reality. Whatever you call it.

The matrix (the real one,with machines etc) would be a system above us. This system is not in our system, that's why we can't say if it exists or not. It is like the trick with God. As God is a system above our system, we can't decide if he exists or not.

Understand? :wink:

A lot of people complained that there was too many robot type things in the last one. It's a god damned sci-fi movie, if you don't want to see a god damned robot watch god damned bambi or something!

I didn't like the last one that much because it seemed to me very flat...After the genious first part. Also, I somehow didn't see the use of a 2. and 3. part, as it was actually clear what would happen...

That does it for me. If we see the system we can currently touch as the real system, we fight that one. Once we won, we would surely see if it was just a veil:

A system would result in another system.

 

[Icelus]

[quote:18diswz2]the matrix can totally be interpreted as a dharma movie as well, so my friends who have studied buddhism tell me..

Could you give some info on that?

As you said:

Of course we are. Am I the only one who understands the movie? The Matrix is any system, our system. This quote shows it the best.

[/quote:18diswz2]

I think you can intepret it as a dharma movie when you see the ego as another system.

 

[restin]

hmmm very interesting.

But I have to out myself as an amateur...

..can someone please explain me shortly what dharma exactly is?

German wikipedia isn't very good there :?

 

[Subtle_Nod]

[quote:2ekxhhtu]the matrix can totally be interpreted as a dharma movie as well, so my friends who have studied buddhism tell me..

Could you give some info on that?

As you said:

[quote:2ekxhhtu]Of course we are. Am I the only one who understands the movie? The Matrix is any system, our system. This quote shows it the best.

I think you can intepret it as a dharma movie when you see the ego as another system.[/quote:2ekxhhtu][/quote:2ekxhhtu]

Anything can be modeled within a system if that is your intentions. That's pretty much my job.

 

[GOD]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dharm

 

[restin]

[quote:2c2mxzeu]The Sanskrit term Dharma (help·info) (Devan

 

[Icelus]

I don't know what st.bot.32 thinks about it. I'm not an expert in buddhism and its terminology and i haven't even seen the matrix (only the first half, but i know the story). It was just a thought

 

[restin]

I really liked the thought with the ego...

 

[druglessdouglas]

this is what makes Brittain grate

 

[BrainEater]

the matrix is as real, as you think it is.

if you think it is real, by observing it as being real and then decididing "hey it looks real it got to be real", then you already have passed the chance and will probably stick to your empirical-experience-belief-system instead of seeing what is really there. but who says you have to understand everything about it in order to see it ???


"there is no spoon"


peace :weedman:

 

[restin]

I don't understand what you want to say...

If I believe that my body is caught in a cage and my energy is used as a battery to feed robots, does it make it real?

Or do you mean the matrix as a system? Then I would say, that if you are blind or not, the system still exists...

 

[silv]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cartesian_doubt#The_dream

Read about the dream, we can only believe that we are not living in the matrix