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Possible Full Access to Britons' Internet and Public Network Phone Info

The British Government could get access to users' Internet and telephone public information

The British Government wants all necessary information in order to track the activity of all Internet users in the country. This means that authorities would know, at any time, the content, place and time of any given chat conversation. Also, state officials would have access to details about the equipment used to navigate, to email accounts or would be able to download files from the Internet.

All data, no matter if it’s private emails or virtual love letters, would be disclosed to the police, local councils, health authorities and basically any state institution that considered that information to be important for solving a case.

To be more specific, some of the data that the Government considers necessary for the institution to solve security matters are related to IDs, telephone numbers in the public network, addresses and IP numbers. These configure an exhaustive image of anyone's identity, so many users might regard the authorities' suggestion with displeasure. Information is to be preserved in a database for an average of 12 months, a time span that could be extended in vis major situations.

To counteract the negative reactions regarding privacy rights infringements, the British Government also offers a few examples of situations when certain information, which it specifically required to be disclosed, led to the solving of difficult cases. An official document released by the Government presents the instance of a chat session between one American and one Briton. The latter claimed that he had attempted to commit suicide by stabbing himself. The IP address, along with other information, showed the police officers to the man's house and, consequently, he was saved in time.

Another case was that of two women who sent an email in which they said they had been kidnapped and taken to a location near Manchester. By going through the available information, authorities learned that the computer from which the message had been sent was based in Slovenia. After going to the address where the two women were listed as living at, police officers learned that everything had been just a practical joke.

The decision regarding unrestrained access to private information as that described above is still under regulation. After October 31, the Government will know whether user data will indeed be put at the disposal of public institutions.
 
gnahhh.... they did that in germany too.... for security of course....
 
I guess the freedom of the internet was a pipe dream that couldn't have lasted forever..

Although I'm sure those who care will still find ways to encrypt their data and protect their privacy..
 
This is going to create a very lucrative counter business I'm sure.
 
Well, the UK is full of CCTVs anyway. The switch to the internet was only a matter of time.

But of course, this is all against terrorists...sure. We sell our freedom for safety. Great.

The problem is, as always, abuse. As long as this is only used for real safety, I see no problem. But as soon as it is used for drug razzias, download-seeder-razzias, censorship, I begin to dislike it...partially. Maybe there is also personal interest involved :)
 
I have no problem with the government reading my email as long as I can read theirs too.

Come on, if they are doing nothing wrong, they MUST have nothing to hide, right?
 
If the pigs in the UK find you with money or goods and you cant prove where you got them from or how you paid for them they can take them off you .
 
i wonder why the government thinks that it is the "big brother" of the people and has to protect them at all cost.... and by such means... insane....
 
It made me think about an essay about privacy which i read a few months ago...

http://www.schneier.com/essay-114.html

Too many wrongly characterize the debate as "security versus privacy." The real choice is liberty versus control. Tyranny, whether it arises under threat of foreign physical attack or under constant domestic authoritative scrutiny, is still tyranny. Liberty requires security without intrusion, security plus privacy. Widespread police surveillance is the very definition of a police state. And that's why we should champion privacy even when we have nothing to hide.
 
LONDON is full of CCTV cameras. The UK as a whole has one CCTV camera per 7 people that live here.

I'm from the middle of nowhere - there are no cameras there. I did move near London though... bad idea by the looks of things.

God, your country accepting immigrants?
 
i wonder if a police state really is the ultimate end to which democracy leads

after all if 51% of the people want it..
 
Icelus a dit:
It made me think about an essay about privacy which i read a few months ago...

http://www.schneier.com/essay-114.html

Too many wrongly characterize the debate as "security versus privacy." The real choice is liberty versus control. Tyranny, whether it arises under threat of foreign physical attack or under constant domestic authoritative scrutiny, is still tyranny. Liberty requires security without intrusion, security plus privacy. Widespread police surveillance is the very definition of a police state. And that's why we should champion privacy even when we have nothing to hide.

"For if we are observed in all matters, we are constantly under threat of correction, judgment, criticism, even plagiarism of our own uniqueness. We become children, fettered under watchful eyes, constantly fearful that -- either now or in the uncertain future -- patterns we leave behind will be brought back to implicate us, by whatever authority has now become focused upon our once-private and innocent acts. We lose our individuality, because everything we do is observable and recordable.

How many of us have paused during conversation in the past four-and-a-half years, suddenly aware that we might be eavesdropped on? Probably it was a phone conversation, although maybe it was an e-mail or instant-message exchange or a conversation in a public place. Maybe the topic was terrorism, or politics, or Islam. We stop suddenly, momentarily afraid that our words might be taken out of context, then we laugh at our paranoia and go on. But our demeanor has changed, and our words are subtly altered.

This is the loss of freedom we face when our privacy is taken from us. This is life in former East Germany, or life in Saddam Hussein's Iraq. And it's our future as we allow an ever-intrusive eye into our personal, private lives. "


This scenario is a real nightmare.
 
st.bot.32 a dit:
i wonder if a police state really is the ultimate end to which democracy leads

after all if 51% of the people want it..


i don't know... maybe they are so afraid of each other that they really want the "security" a police state would offer???
 
"God, your country accepting immigrants?"

They get let in here , but not acepted . And the law is going the same way here as in the Ununited Kingdom .

I think its "funny" how much drugs are available allthough the extra checks for the fight against islam / freedom fighters have got massive . Cameras everywhere , telephones and the net being watched and more customs controöls . But still drugs are freely available in massive quantitys on the streets of the U.K. One could almost think maybe they want you all to be permanently beamed..................
 
the only check and balance, shall we say shard of hope in the darkness, against complete government control I think is just one of sheer numbers.

even if the government CAN read every fucking email in the country, every phone call, knows every fingerprint of every person..

if there are millions of people doing activities the government deems "bad".. it is logistically impossible to stop them all
 
I dont think that they want to stop all crime now . I think that they want to get "The bigger picture" so they can use it to keep controll . Once they have total controle maybe they will crack down on "crime" = the things we do that they dont like or that could be a danger to them keeping control .
 
st.bot.32 a dit:
if there are millions of people doing activities the government deems "bad".. it is logistically impossible to stop them all


not if machines take over the work....... machines don't care whether they have to work all the time as long as they get their electricity....
 
True, I suppose if 50 years from now we have robot cops being manufactured by the thousands it makes it way easier to enforce such laws on any number of people ;)
 
hmm...can't say if you are panicking here...
 
Robocops , no pay , no sleep , 100% loyal , scrupelless and no free will so they can be programed to lie in court .
 
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