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UncleFester

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Has anybody tried the Ayahuasca packs from Azarius?
If so, could you tell me what you thought of it.
Did it produce a good trip, how much did you use p/p, how did it feel?

I had 5MeO-DMT, loved the experience but found the bodyload very hard to bear.
Also I have experiences with MAOI's and have also experienced the nausea it can induce, which is realy uncomfortable.
Since Ayahuasca consists mainly of these two ingredients I was wondering what the magic brew feels like.
 
I'm french and i speacl english just a little.

Pour faire l'Ayahuasca, voici les ingredients a utiliser :
- Banisteriopsis Caapi
- Psychotrai Viridis
- Peganum Harmala

Achete les separement.

Bon voyage, good travel ! ;)
 
I'm french and i speacl english just a little.

Pour faire l'Ayahuasca, voici les ingredients a utiliser :
- Banisteriopsis Caapi
- Psychotrai Viridis
- Peganum Harmala

Achete les separement.

Bon voyage, good travel ! ;)

Yes, I understand but I'm afraid that wasn't quite what I asked.
To bad my frensh is worse than your english ;)
Thanks anyway.
 
Sad there's no replies here because I'm in the same situation.
I've had my share of experiences with all kinds of psychoactive substances but this one is going to be my first really planned trip to the spirit world. I'm going to prepare the setting very carefully, I'm preparing a playlist of carefully selected music for the journey (only dreamy, positive music, including a lot of Indian Flute music).
I hope this is going to answer a few questions about myself (for instance why I have recurring negative dreams about not being in the right place in important situations even when these situations in reality already had gone very well for me).

Whatever, I'm going to report on my meeting with the holy vine. Not sure yet when I'm going to have it because everything needs to be perfect before I brew the drink and drink it.

P.S. these philosophers stones really deserve their name ;) :jump: :high:
 
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I'm french and i speacl english just a little.

Pour faire l'Ayahuasca, voici les ingredients a utiliser :
- Banisteriopsis Caapi
- Psychotrai Viridis
- Peganum Harmala

Achete les separement.

Bon voyage, good travel ! ;)

Hmmmm, no ya don't.
Peganum harmala contains MAO inhibitor alkaloids.
Banisteriopsis Caapi contains MAO inhibitor alkaloids.

There's really no point in mixing both of them to activate oral tryptamines, provided that you have a solid dose of one of them.

Either go with Syrian Rue or Caapi. Mixing both will only increase nausea and bodyload.

Caapi is said to be a lot cleaner, and to contain the jungle spirit. After all it is the MAIN ingredient in tradicional brews. In fact the term Ayahuasca refers to the caapi vine alone, the admixture tryptamines being some sort of a additive to stimulate visions.

Oh, and preferably use a tryptamine carrier which only contains N,N-DMT, such as Psychotria Viridis or Mimosa Hostilis. Pure vaporized n,n-dmt freebase won't produce any body load whatsoever, so i think we can infer that oral N,N will produce less body load than the 5-MeO analog.

One thing though, you'll get extreme amounts of nausea and will definitely puke whatever the recipe you use. It's part of the Ayahuasca experience.
Only way to avoid this is extracting the pure alkaloids out of the plant material and eat them. And even so, you'll still probably get somewhat sick and a rough bodyload.
 
Oh and by the way, the tradicional base recipe consists of the ayahuasca vine (caapi) + chacruna (psychotria sp.).

Syrian Rue doesn't grow in south america.
 
I tried to have an Ayahuasca trip last weekend, but somehow it failed...
I got the "classic" package from azarius (30g. Banisteriopis Caapi and 30g. Psychotria Viridis) and did all as it was described in the recipe: I didn't have a grinder handy so I used a blender to crush the plant material as fine as I could, then I mixed it with distilled water and some vitamin c powder. I cooked the mix for two hours, strained it, cooked again... and so on... four times alltogether. I cooked down the final brew to an amount of about three large cups.
I had the first cup and decided to wait a bit - I could feel the MAOI effect, I got a little cold and drowsy but nothing more happened the next 20 minutes so I decided to drink the rest. When I had almost finished the second cup, I strongly felt the MAOI (I felt very sedated) so I closed my eyes and I began to feel a little of the DMT. Two times I had a very realistic but really short "vision" of something, only for a few seconds, then it was gone again.
Long story, short ending: before I could drink more of the remaining Ayahuasca I fell asleep!

I woke up six hours later still feeling a little drowsy/sedated and decided to drink the last remaining cup. I became more sedated and fell asleep again!

I don't know what went wrong here - I wasn't supposed to fall asleep from the drink, was I ???

However - the two very short "visions" showed me the potential of Ayahuasca - the second one was so frightening that I opened my eyes in shock and my pulse went to 180 (I saw a clown with the most frightening face coming for me on a trycicle - the face was so realistic I could hardly believe it)

I don't know what to make of it - I think I won't try ayahuasca again on my own, maybe I'd rather try it with somebody who really knows how to make the drink...
 
I never had dmt myself, but I read sommething about taking dmt al at once, or there is no efect, just like when you smoke dmt. so perhaps there was to much time between the cups.
 
I have read in different sources that it would be wise not to swallow the ayahuasca down at once in order to minimize nausea. Also I read in more than one report from people who had tried ayahuasca with an experienced shaman that they were given two or three doses over a few hours (but maybe they got a stronger dose in the drink so that it could take effect immediately).

However I have also experienced falling asleep with Salvia Divinorum (1g smoked plus 2g chewed) so maybe my reaction to some psychedelic substances in lower doses is falling asleep???? Doesn't happen with mushrooms/lsd/lsa though...

On the other side I'm afraid of having too much from a psychedelic so just trying a much higher dose is no option for me (I'm usually very sensitive to psychedelics, so I'm rather careful about the dosage... don't want to screw up my mind...)
 
don't want to screw up my mind...)

Seems to me you are allready doing this by negative thinking ? Think positive, it will help you on your trips !
 
Recent scientific researches, including in humans, have supported and helped to understand what some Western (or First World) experienced users of ayahuasca tea have suspected since years: potentially huge differences do exist between individuals regarding the amount of B. caapi necessary to live a full-blown visionary experience when a fixed, regular quantity of DMT-containing plant is added.

That's why, besides the question of quality and cost, "kits" or "packs" with fixed quantities of ayahuasca vine, that generally are kept as low as possible, are avoided by these experienced connoisseurs.

For 85-90% of us, the optimal dose of B. caapi (var. cielo) per capita is somewhere in the 30-80 g range, 50 g being nice for the majority. Concerning P. viridis leaves, an optimal average dose is 40-50 g.

Traditional brews are always made in mixing the plants when starting the preparation. In Western settings, with costly dried plant material, one may look for a better yield: if there is absolutely no reason to acidify the water for the vine, the leaves, finely grinded, will undoubtedly have a better yield if soaked and cooked in acidified water (gentle organic acids are to be preferred: apple cider vinegar, malic acid, etc.). A separate preparation may thus be a convenient solution. Once the caapi vine tea is absorbed, it is not necessary to wait for effects or it may be too late: 15 mn are sufficient.

Feeling "MAOI" effects is probably a mistake (not feeling effects, but that they are due to MAO inhibition): what the abovementionned researches have shown is that, THH excepted (which is a poor MAOI), the other betacarbolines don't reach the general blood circulation. They undergo first pass metabolism in the liver and it is only or mainly their metabolites, also poor MAOIs, that are found in the blood. Furthermore a clear-cut MAOI effect on monoamine metabolites was not found. So waiting too long = harmine and harmaline are metabolised!

A last comment on additional doses in traditional settings: ayahuasqueros do indeed offer the possibility for people who have the desire to do so to drink a second or third dose during the course of a session but it is by no means something obligatory. As they tend to underdose first timers, it is not infrequent to see the only novice(s) present in a ceremony accepting the offer of a second dose!
 
Pure vaporized n,n-dmt freebase won't produce any body load whatsoever, so i think we can infer that oral N,N will produce less body load than the 5-MeO analog.

The main thing that I found hard to bare, when using the 5MeO variant (insuflated 5mg), was the increased heartrate.
I've never experienced such a high increase in heartrate before with other drugs.
This was quite uncomfortable and, especialy in the begining of the trip, quite disconsearning (managed to relax anyway, focusing on breathing helped).
It settled down after I had reached the max. plateau of the trip.
It could also be that the trip amplified this feeling... I'm not sure (the trip was very deep).

One thing though, you'll get extreme amounts of nausea and will definitely puke whatever the recipe you use. It's part of the Ayahuasca experience.

I know, don't mind feeling nausia as long as it goes away after throwning up.
With Yohimbe I keep on feeling nausious, dizzy and light headed.
Not a nice feeling to have when tripping out for 6 - 8 hours.
 
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