Aya, MAOI = severare headache, cause = tyramine in lemon?

[HeartCore]

Morning all,

Last saturday my girlfriend had her first experience with Aya. She prepared very well, fasted for five days and prepared mentally as well. The drink of choice was Peganum Harmala in combination with Mimosa Hostilis. The journey itself was intense, hard on the body but positive for her. However, the entire next day was clouded by a severe headache which seems to be caused by the Aya the evening before.

Googling for a few minutes cooked up a few articles about Tyramine present in lemon juice, capable of causing severere headaches in combination with a MAOI.

Does anyone know more about this?

HC

 

[Forkbender]

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[Jahvisions]

I don't know about tyramines in lemon juice what seems strange to me cause often you prepare the brew with lemon juice.

But I have read that tyramines are one of the things you must avoid when taking MAOi. The tyramines in combination with MAOi can make you feel tired and depressed and can give a high blood pressure that in extreme cases can lead to brainhaemorrhage. http://www.uitjebol.net/ayahuasca.htm

 

[scamie]

I dont think they use lemon jiuce in the amazone. So its possible.
Did your friend purge? during the journey?
stick to tradtion when cooking

 

[HeartCore]

Jah: Thats what I mean.... if lemon juice contains tyramine, which various source on the web seem to indicate, brewing aya wich lemon juice may not be the smartest thing to do (and even dangerous).


Scamie: Purged -> yes she purged, about 20 minutes after drinking the mimosa tea. What traditional brewing do you suggest for non-traditional plants

 

[scamie]

I think just stick to water!! and the mimosa/ harmal is quite different material.
I dont think you have to cook it very long as is done with traditional plants.
strong tea of harmal and a nice tea of mimosa with as less possible plant material!!
And maybe make the tea all in one, make a bit more! It comes on easier and if you want to plunch in....... drink some more after the purge.
Dont drink water untill you purge
ITS SO BEATIFULL!!!! ***awe***

 

[HeartCore]

OK that didn't really help but it was fun to read

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

Even if lemon juice contains tyramine, it's in a very low concentration, so that one tablespoon in an ayahuasca preparation will not be sufficient to cause significant side effects.

Here's another list written for people who have to use synthetic MAOi's: http://www.virtualtrial.com/pcvdiet.cfm Lemon juice is not mentioned. And small amounts of fruits are OK, except: "all overripe and spoiled fruits should be avoided."

 

[HeartCore]

Even if lemon juice contains tyramine, it's in a very low concentration, so that one tablespoon in an ayahuasca preparation will not be sufficient to cause significant side effects.

But some recipes from vendors, talk about putting 50-100 ml of lemon juice to the brew which is what we did.

Btw I am not saying this definitely caused the headache but something did and my girlfriend is not someone who experiences headaches on a regular basis so we are just wondering what could have caused this.

I bet it's the lemon juice, maybe this is also causing the severe headaches some people are experiencing the day after using shrooms (notes that not so long ago, some active topics where about adding lemon juice to mushroom tea).

 

[Forkbender]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fo ... g_tyramine

Can't find lemons on it, except perhaps if they have gone bad(?)

Didn't you guys eat anything else before or after?

 

[GOD]

" stick to tradtion when cooking "

Wise words . I totaly agree , both with Ayahuasca / analogs and with mushrooms there is no need to add acids . I dont think that it matters if you use P.Harmala but next time maybe try using Banisteropsis Caapi and P.Viridis . The only way to find out is to do it again a few times and vary the mixture each time . I dont mean to be personal but maybe change the time of month as well . I dont know if you ate afterwards but it was always a part of the ceremonys that i have taken part in to eat and drink something light afterwards before sleeping . Maybe she just has a personal problem with one of the parts of the mixture and has an extra sensitivity to it . It could also be like a blockade , a strained psychelogical muscle that gets so hard that you cant feel it any more and then when you finaly relax it it hurts a bit afterwards , if you know what i mean . I would tell her it was a good sign and that she was very lucky = it should not be taken to seriously or given to much weight . Give her a hug and a kiss and treat her like a princes and let her stay in bed all day , tell her you love her , your proud of her and what a good girl she is , and bring her everything she needs .

 

[Maxi]

Give her a hug and a kiss and treat her like a princes and let her stay in bed all day , tell her you love her , your proud of her and what a good girl she is , and bring her everything she needs .

How do you know he did all that?

The only way to find out is to do it again a few times and vary the mixture each time .

Agree on that, and i also remember that i had this before, only then it was with mushrooms.
So it makes sence what you say about being more sensitive.

And yes, i will for sure use it again, it`s amazing!
But first Heartcore
Then i`ll start in the new year with mushrooms, damn that last trip was amazing! (More about that trip in another post.)

Hugs Maxi

 

[HeartCore]

Hey sweety welcome

Fork:: http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:JO ... cd=5&gl=nl

Lemon is under use with caution.

So maybe aged lemon juice is more risky.

 

[Forkbender]

1/2 a cup is still a lot, though, more than 100 ml. I don't know how much ayahuasca you drank, or how much you added.

Anyway, I think it would be an anomaly if the tyramine in the lemon juice would cause the headaches. But I'm no expert. Better listen to GOD's advice.

 

[GOD]

Hey Maxi are you HeartCores lady ???? I was just about to write to H.C. and say " maybe it would be good if your girlfriend joins us on the forum ". Anyway WELCOME ....... I`m the house dragon ...........

" How do you know he did all that? "

I didnt but its what i would do because i`m a loving guy , and its what any loving guy would do , and anyone whos been on this forum for more than a few days knows HeartCore is one to .

I also wanted to sugest , maybe it would be a good idea not to fast for so long before . Its a bit like fasting and then running a marathon , it probably uses up to much of the vitamins , minerals and other things that your body needs . I think that if you are like HeartCore and dont eat shit , 4 hours of fasting should be enough . Then when you come down a light meal and when you wake up a big one . I`m a bit of a pig = as soon as i start coming down i stuff myself with musli , bananas and chocolate and when i get up the next day i eat loads and loads of salty , spicy , fatty food .

" But first Heartcore "

Have a nice flight H.C..........

I`ve had it with groups of about 20 people in ceremonys wich is nice but i like it better on my own ............... but i like it the most with just me and a woman together and having S-E-X . Not the olympic competative , show off , porno film type , more the long , tender , slow , no holds bared , together type of S-E-X .

" Better listen to GOD's advice "

I agree !!!