Aren't we focussing too much on negative things?
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I think I need more words to explain what I was trying to say.
I mean, when you talk about negative things, always try to put Love on them. Don't just show people you talk with (in a full discussion about any, negative, subject) the negativity about that specific subject.
For example, like you said, when we talk "about the holocaust against animals . The holocaust in Palastine . Afghanistan . Iraq . The climate catastrophy . International "Drug" policys . The banning of mushrooms in Holland . The police abusing people . People taking Datura . My hepititis " don't just confront people with what IT IS. Yes IT IS like this or that. Yes show everysingle negative thing about it. But along the discussion, don't just give emphasis to the negative things. Tell them how things could be. Where are we wrong and where things could be better, or where we failed and could have done the right step and even what can be done so things can get better.
I'm not saying that we should put roses to any holocaust, or any desease... ofcourse not.
But you have to be the reflex and show people what Feeling you/we want to surround us. What energy we desire to be present. If you are all negative and just see the shit part. People will only absorve negative energys from you... if you always talk With-Love-Feelings (showing love and affection, even talking about negative things), the seed you planted in that discussion is much worth than the all-negative-speech.
Hope I made my point clear.
Love
I mean, when you talk about negative things, always try to put Love on them. Don't just show people you talk with (in a full discussion about any, negative, subject) the negativity about that specific subject.
For example, like you said, when we talk "about the holocaust against animals . The holocaust in Palastine . Afghanistan . Iraq . The climate catastrophy . International "Drug" policys . The banning of mushrooms in Holland . The police abusing people . People taking Datura . My hepititis " don't just confront people with what IT IS. Yes IT IS like this or that. Yes show everysingle negative thing about it. But along the discussion, don't just give emphasis to the negative things. Tell them how things could be. Where are we wrong and where things could be better, or where we failed and could have done the right step and even what can be done so things can get better.
I'm not saying that we should put roses to any holocaust, or any desease... ofcourse not.
But you have to be the reflex and show people what Feeling you/we want to surround us. What energy we desire to be present. If you are all negative and just see the shit part. People will only absorve negative energys from you... if you always talk With-Love-Feelings (showing love and affection, even talking about negative things), the seed you planted in that discussion is much worth than the all-negative-speech.
Hope I made my point clear.
Love
You love animals, humans, the universe etc. If something or someone does anything "bad" with/to that/them you feel compassion for the things that are being fucked. So there it is! You love and feel compassion. But because you focus on the negative your not able to feel that love and compassion. Do you know what a lovely GOD you are if you feel terrible about kids starving, people crying? That means you love! And that you love all animals humans and plants unconditionaly. But if your not awere of that you only feel the negative side, the hate the agression etc. Very yin yang. The bright side of your hepititis isnt that you have it. But the fact you dont want to have it proofs you love life! So you feel negative about hepititis? Since you have it you might as well accept it and love yourself for loving life. The dMy words dont change the facts but your/our perspective perhaps. And your perseption may help you deal with the facts.
Hope my twisted world view twists nice along with the rest of you.
Namaste
Hope my twisted world view twists nice along with the rest of you.
Namaste
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this discussion reminds me of communism. in theory, it works perfectly. in practice, however, things are pretty different.
first of all, let's define love. then, let's define our objectives: why should one spread love and light ? i understand all of your opinions, as i have read everyone of them carefully.
inside the psychonaut tree, there is a branch called psychedelics, and many of us have tried those. the thing that i find strange here is that psychedelics teach, first of all, the need for balance and duality. the coin is made of the both sides. there is no front without back, no beauty without beholder, and, respecting this question, no love without...hate ? i don't think so. i think there is no love without apathy. hate and love are in one side of the coin, as apathy is on another side. hating war means that you love peace. if you don't even get bothered by it, what does that mean ? well, that means that you don't give a shit and that's about it.
i am sorry, but i do not belive that spreading love is the answer to all our problems as a group right now. we should, first of all, interest people in people's activities. there's no point spreading love if no one is prepared to take it. it might feel really good for the giver, but for the taker, it doesn't matter at all.
but, if the person is interested in something, it becomes much more "influenced" (lack of a better word) by the fact that she receives, or not, love.
if you live in big or medium-sized cities, see the faces of the people on the cars, on the elevators, on the work and on the street. do they seem that they are interested in anything ? or do they have those "poker faces" that are unbreakable ? those faces are meant to maintain their lucidity, so they don't go nuts and start shooting persons, or undressing on the church. the japonese have solved those questions with zen. we have not solved this question, but we have masked and drowned it with social positions, work and more work, and a tiny hole sculped in a wall that we call home, in which lives our family, that we so hardly can support.
don't get me wrong, it is a PERFECT idea! but you cannot translate it to the reality if the people are not ready to take it, as you cannot implant communism, if the people have the idea of property from the moment they begin to love the way that they are educated, and learn that they have rights and duties.
just my opinion, but i don't think (again) that this forum needs more positive vibes. it is the most human forum that i have ever contributed to. it cannot work any better.
first of all, let's define love. then, let's define our objectives: why should one spread love and light ? i understand all of your opinions, as i have read everyone of them carefully.
inside the psychonaut tree, there is a branch called psychedelics, and many of us have tried those. the thing that i find strange here is that psychedelics teach, first of all, the need for balance and duality. the coin is made of the both sides. there is no front without back, no beauty without beholder, and, respecting this question, no love without...hate ? i don't think so. i think there is no love without apathy. hate and love are in one side of the coin, as apathy is on another side. hating war means that you love peace. if you don't even get bothered by it, what does that mean ? well, that means that you don't give a shit and that's about it.
i am sorry, but i do not belive that spreading love is the answer to all our problems as a group right now. we should, first of all, interest people in people's activities. there's no point spreading love if no one is prepared to take it. it might feel really good for the giver, but for the taker, it doesn't matter at all.
but, if the person is interested in something, it becomes much more "influenced" (lack of a better word) by the fact that she receives, or not, love.
if you live in big or medium-sized cities, see the faces of the people on the cars, on the elevators, on the work and on the street. do they seem that they are interested in anything ? or do they have those "poker faces" that are unbreakable ? those faces are meant to maintain their lucidity, so they don't go nuts and start shooting persons, or undressing on the church. the japonese have solved those questions with zen. we have not solved this question, but we have masked and drowned it with social positions, work and more work, and a tiny hole sculped in a wall that we call home, in which lives our family, that we so hardly can support.
don't get me wrong, it is a PERFECT idea! but you cannot translate it to the reality if the people are not ready to take it, as you cannot implant communism, if the people have the idea of property from the moment they begin to love the way that they are educated, and learn that they have rights and duties.
just my opinion, but i don't think (again) that this forum needs more positive vibes. it is the most human forum that i have ever contributed to. it cannot work any better.
GOD
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Jos , i`m not sure what you are trying to say , if its to me personaly or just your comments to everyone on this subject . I`m not sure if you understand me so :-
"You love animals, humans, the universe etc. If something or someone does anything "bad" with/to that/them you feel compassion for the things that are being fucked."
Yes i do .
" But because you focus on the negative your not able to feel that love and compassion"
Are you saying that that is what i am like ? I am not like that . I feel love and compassion , thats part of the reson i`m here . I want other people to feel the massive pain i have when i see the evil things that are happening so that we will stop them . I live in paradise , but i often seem to be alone . I watch people killing , murdering , lying , stealing and cheating every day , all day , all of my life . I watch paradise beeing raped and dying a little more every day and no one is doing anything exept masturbating their egos and living in their rooms full of mirrors walking towards disaster with their eyes , ears and hearts closed .
"Do you know what a lovely GOD you are if you feel terrible about kids starving, people crying?"
Yes .
" So you feel negative about hepititis?"
No , its a fact . It doesnt realy bother me . It gives me a new insite into life and something to do . The only realy negative thing about it is that i will not have sex untill it is gone because i love women enough not to put them at risk .
"I've been mad for fucking years, absolutely years, been over the edge for yonks, been working me buns off for bands..."
"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
Breathe, breathe in the air.
Don't be afraid to care.
Leave but don't leave me.
Look around and choose your own ground.
Long you live and high you fly
And smiles you'll give and tears you'll cry
And all you touch and all you see
Is all your life will ever be.
Run, rabbit run.
Dig that hole, forget the sun,
And when at last the work is done
Don't sit down it's time to dig another one.
For long you live and high you fly
But only if you ride the tide
And balanced on the biggest wave
You race towards an early grave.
Ticking away the moments that make up a dull day
You fritter and waste the hours in an offhand way.
Kicking around on a piece of ground in your home town
Waiting for someone or something to show you the way.
Tired of lying in the sunshine staying home to watch the rain.
You are young and life is long and there is time to kill today.
And then one day you find ten years have got behind you.
No one told you when to run, you missed the starting gun.
So you run and you run to catch up with the sun but it's sinking
Racing around to come up behind you again.
The sun is the same in a relative way but you're older,
Shorter of breath and one day closer to death.
Every year is getting shorter never seem to find the time.
Plans that either come to naught or half a page of scribbled lines
Hanging on in quiet desperation is the English way
The time is gone, the song is over,
Thought I'd something more to say.
All that you touch
All that you see
All that you taste
All you feel.
All that you love
All that you hate
All you distrust
All you save.
All that you give
All that you deal
All that you buy,
beg, borrow or steal.
All you create
All you destroy
All that you do
All that you say.
All that you eat
And everyone you meet
All that you slight
And everyone you fight.
All that is now
All that is gone
All that's to come
and everything under the sun is in tune
but the sun is eclipsed by the moon.
"There is no dark side of the moon really. Matter of fact it's all dark."
"You love animals, humans, the universe etc. If something or someone does anything "bad" with/to that/them you feel compassion for the things that are being fucked."
Yes i do .
" But because you focus on the negative your not able to feel that love and compassion"
Are you saying that that is what i am like ? I am not like that . I feel love and compassion , thats part of the reson i`m here . I want other people to feel the massive pain i have when i see the evil things that are happening so that we will stop them . I live in paradise , but i often seem to be alone . I watch people killing , murdering , lying , stealing and cheating every day , all day , all of my life . I watch paradise beeing raped and dying a little more every day and no one is doing anything exept masturbating their egos and living in their rooms full of mirrors walking towards disaster with their eyes , ears and hearts closed .
"Do you know what a lovely GOD you are if you feel terrible about kids starving, people crying?"
Yes .
" So you feel negative about hepititis?"
No , its a fact . It doesnt realy bother me . It gives me a new insite into life and something to do . The only realy negative thing about it is that i will not have sex untill it is gone because i love women enough not to put them at risk .
"I've been mad for fucking years, absolutely years, been over the edge for yonks, been working me buns off for bands..."
"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
Breathe, breathe in the air.
Don't be afraid to care.
Leave but don't leave me.
Look around and choose your own ground.
Long you live and high you fly
And smiles you'll give and tears you'll cry
And all you touch and all you see
Is all your life will ever be.
Run, rabbit run.
Dig that hole, forget the sun,
And when at last the work is done
Don't sit down it's time to dig another one.
For long you live and high you fly
But only if you ride the tide
And balanced on the biggest wave
You race towards an early grave.
Ticking away the moments that make up a dull day
You fritter and waste the hours in an offhand way.
Kicking around on a piece of ground in your home town
Waiting for someone or something to show you the way.
Tired of lying in the sunshine staying home to watch the rain.
You are young and life is long and there is time to kill today.
And then one day you find ten years have got behind you.
No one told you when to run, you missed the starting gun.
So you run and you run to catch up with the sun but it's sinking
Racing around to come up behind you again.
The sun is the same in a relative way but you're older,
Shorter of breath and one day closer to death.
Every year is getting shorter never seem to find the time.
Plans that either come to naught or half a page of scribbled lines
Hanging on in quiet desperation is the English way
The time is gone, the song is over,
Thought I'd something more to say.
All that you touch
All that you see
All that you taste
All you feel.
All that you love
All that you hate
All you distrust
All you save.
All that you give
All that you deal
All that you buy,
beg, borrow or steal.
All you create
All you destroy
All that you do
All that you say.
All that you eat
And everyone you meet
All that you slight
And everyone you fight.
All that is now
All that is gone
All that's to come
and everything under the sun is in tune
but the sun is eclipsed by the moon.
"There is no dark side of the moon really. Matter of fact it's all dark."
BrainEater
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this beautiful lines must be of Pink Floyd. 8) really good stuff
For me all is love, so spreading love isnt gonna help. And i really dont believe that there isnt any one who doesnt want love. Since love is for me giving what someone needs. Also i believe there are no takers in love just givers, choise is if you give it to others or just yourself.daytripper a dit:
If they arnt interested in anything why the sad faces? I dont see poker faces but people that are tired,exhaust,depressed,unhappy, or i see them worry about something. Don't know what it is that makes them feel that way since i dont know them but i really dont believe that its unbreakable.
So for me its not about spreading the light and love but rather a point of view where people will see the love and light there all ready is.
BrainEater
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well as i saw it it is the fear of seeing that nobody really cares...
GOD
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"So for me its not about spreading the light and love but rather a point of view where people will see the love and light there all ready is."
= that they realise that they are in paradise now and stop shiting it full and hurting it / eachother .
= that they realise that they are in paradise now and stop shiting it full and hurting it / eachother .
Thanks lol*fan for this, however much I love your attitude and try to be that person myself I think you shouldn't forget that there is alot of love already on this forum. I like to think in terms of Karma because it gives me a feeling of needing to try to be balanced. What I mean by this is that I fully accept the fact that I will have both negative and positive vibes/energy and that I try to use both in the best possible (= most constructive way). If I get angry about for example people wanting to ban Magic Mushrooms I'll go to a demo and show that I do not agree. Another time I might listen to reggae songs about the end of babylon (which I like to see as everyone not trying to make the world a better place) and I'll know that there are people discovering this kind of music and attitude daily, and I am convinced that eventually there will be a positive change! Also I try to educate everyone to my best capacity about the beauty and also the pitfalls of psychedelics.
Long story short: I think we need to show love by trying to show the most possible love for everyone, but also try to put our negative vibes to work for everyone in a positive way.
/hippie.
Long story short: I think we need to show love by trying to show the most possible love for everyone, but also try to put our negative vibes to work for everyone in a positive way.
/hippie.
No sorry dude, more in general. I have a hard time in writing in english. And its like i kinda interperted your words as someones view of negative things in general and my response to that or something like that.
Wow that is kinda what i was trying to say. Thats where the love and light comes in place for me. Because lets say someone believes he's in hell.. Than for him thats truth, therefor in hell.. That person hasnt had the opportunity or the vision of trancending that truth, so it takes love from others to heal that person. Negative minded people are harming themself and others, but i truly believe that most of them want whats best for them and others so i see it up to us to share our light/love/energy to help them/us. For we are one.GOD a dit:
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interpretation people, interpretation.
Great thoughts everyone! Thanks.
One thing: I didn't think there's not enough love or positive vibes on this forum, just that I encountered a lot of topics about the outer world misjudging drugs while browsing this forum from the frontpage (so it was not only about this part of the forum).
Do I close my eyes to make it go away? Sometimes I wonder. I hardly ever watch or read 'the news', too much negativity and most of it doesn't really concern me, in my opinion. I pay attention to the things close to me, the things that are here asking for my attention. All the rest, o well. If television tells me there's a war going on in Iraq, is there? If I never watch television or read a newspaper and never heard about a war in Iraq, is there still a war going on in Iraq? Certainly not in my universe. Of course, the moment I hear the slightest thing about a war in Iraq, there starts to exist something as 'a war in Iraq' in my conception of reality.
O well... enough talk. Have a nice day y'all!
One thing: I didn't think there's not enough love or positive vibes on this forum, just that I encountered a lot of topics about the outer world misjudging drugs while browsing this forum from the frontpage (so it was not only about this part of the forum).
Do I close my eyes to make it go away? Sometimes I wonder. I hardly ever watch or read 'the news', too much negativity and most of it doesn't really concern me, in my opinion. I pay attention to the things close to me, the things that are here asking for my attention. All the rest, o well. If television tells me there's a war going on in Iraq, is there? If I never watch television or read a newspaper and never heard about a war in Iraq, is there still a war going on in Iraq? Certainly not in my universe. Of course, the moment I hear the slightest thing about a war in Iraq, there starts to exist something as 'a war in Iraq' in my conception of reality.
O well... enough talk. Have a nice day y'all!
" If television tells me there's a war going on in Iraq, is there? If I never watch television or read a newspaper and never heard about a war in Iraq, is there still a war going on in Iraq?"
I dunno, are you paying 3-6 dollars a gallon for gas?
If you think that it doesn't affect you, I may venture the observation that you aren't thinking about it enough.
Even in the netherlands, and Great Britain, and Germany there are repercussive effects. Some direct, some not.
It is a much more complex issue than, 'I'm not getting shot at, therefore it isn't real'
Again, there is a real difference in not dwelling on something, and not acknowledging it at all.
I had a conversation yesterday with two 'average' Americans.....they aren't psychonauts. They are small business operators here in the deep south, usa......they told me that, and I quote;
'Can't blame 9-11 on Bush'
I can't?????
These people have that same absolutist mentality. They think that;
a) If george w wasn't piloting the plane, then he didn't do it.
b) FOX news will tell them who they need to worry about
c) We're not interested in the CHAIN OF EVIDENCE and REASONING
that would lead an intelligent person to certain conclusions
These people also believe that W did the world a service getting rid of that bad ol' Saddam Hussien.
It really hurt me to lecture them for an hour on where Saddam came from, who backed him in the early 80's, why he rose to power, and how, and how it's related to the bushes.
Which led to the explanation of where Osama came from (SAME PLACE) etc...
I don't think they believed me.
But then we got into it a little more, and I began documenting it, and then, slowly, I saw cracks appearing in their certainty, and they began to really get nervous, I could watch their self-built sureness of 'the way things were' crumble a little.....they KNEW something wasn't the way they had been led to believe, and I think they were a little angry at ME, for bursting their bubble.
I don't give a shit. That was my aim.
Ostrich= sand
Person= THINK :idea:
I dunno, are you paying 3-6 dollars a gallon for gas?
If you think that it doesn't affect you, I may venture the observation that you aren't thinking about it enough.
Even in the netherlands, and Great Britain, and Germany there are repercussive effects. Some direct, some not.
It is a much more complex issue than, 'I'm not getting shot at, therefore it isn't real'
Again, there is a real difference in not dwelling on something, and not acknowledging it at all.
I had a conversation yesterday with two 'average' Americans.....they aren't psychonauts. They are small business operators here in the deep south, usa......they told me that, and I quote;
'Can't blame 9-11 on Bush'
I can't?????
These people have that same absolutist mentality. They think that;
a) If george w wasn't piloting the plane, then he didn't do it.
b) FOX news will tell them who they need to worry about
c) We're not interested in the CHAIN OF EVIDENCE and REASONING
that would lead an intelligent person to certain conclusions
These people also believe that W did the world a service getting rid of that bad ol' Saddam Hussien.
It really hurt me to lecture them for an hour on where Saddam came from, who backed him in the early 80's, why he rose to power, and how, and how it's related to the bushes.
Which led to the explanation of where Osama came from (SAME PLACE) etc...
I don't think they believed me.
But then we got into it a little more, and I began documenting it, and then, slowly, I saw cracks appearing in their certainty, and they began to really get nervous, I could watch their self-built sureness of 'the way things were' crumble a little.....they KNEW something wasn't the way they had been led to believe, and I think they were a little angry at ME, for bursting their bubble.
I don't give a shit. That was my aim.
Ostrich= sand
Person= THINK :idea:
I got this from the site of the Europarliament:
"J. overwegende dat het nationale drugsbeleid dient te worden gestoeld op wetenschappelijke kennis betreffende elk type drugs en niet op een emotionele impuls, aangezien elk drugsgerelateerd probleem een specifieke aanpak vereist; het generaliseren van de aanpak ondermijnt de geloofwaardigheid van alle deelaspecten van dat beleid,"
Which says basically that national drugpolicy should be modelled based on scientific facts regarding each type of drug and not by an emotional impulse, since each drug related problem requires a specific strategy; Generalising strategy undermines credibility of all aspects of that policy."
I guess most of us get really pissed because:
1) We know we are right
2) 'They' know and acknowledge that fact.
3) They still give us the finger (for example upcoming mushroom ban in the Netherlands).
It's not just an inconvenience that is going on regarding drug policy on a global basis:
it's
-the incarceration of peace loving and conscious people (God know we need a lot of those out of jail to turn shit around right?)
- Seperation of families because of one or more members of that family are in possession of a completely safe and beautiful herb
- People being denied access to the best medicine nature has to offer
I find it really hard to say something positive about it because for me its really about human rights issues as I stated before. No revolution has been smooth and without screaming and kicking to date and there is no reason that this one, the normalization of nature, would be an exception to that.
But but but, thanks a lot for this topic because I have a tendency to become negative too much sometimes and it's really good to be remembered the fact that live should also (or: primarily) be about enjoying it
BrainEater
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hey man i totally agree... i mean everybody could plant it themselves and it would be no problem...a step toward self sustaining lifestyle...
peace..
peace..
