Advertising should be banned !

[spice]

Advertising should be BANNED from human consciousness and our conceptualizations entirely.

There is no way to justify its existence, really. Word of mouth is sufficient to any desirable product....

First, one must see it for what it is, which is a form of mind-control, repetitive, coercive, unrelenting. It goes beyond persuasion, way beyond. But we are so conditioned to accept it as normal that most of us never even question its existence. Why is it there? Who decided that it would/should be?

Where does it stop?

Even illiterate people aren't immune from it, if you can converse, they are in your head....

When I was in school, my psych professor thought that it was just the coolest thing in the world that peoples insecurities could be manipulated to make them spend money.

I called her out on it in class, and I could tell that she had never moved a single millimeter in the direction of actually THINKING about how damn manipulative that is. I told her that on a person-to-person basis that that would be exposed as wrong, and she just shrugged it off.

the unspoken assertion was that industry is allowed to do these things, in the name of making our lives better.

Well, that is all well and good, but don't lump me into your abstract category there....I'm not included in your 'our'......and the unspoken assumption (again) is that I am supposed to just 'go with the flow'
and be carried on these polemic rafts, out to sea, never to be seen
again ?

No.

Industry, as a mentality, is a rude, pushy, unwashed beast which drags humanity along in it's wake, for the most part, facilitated greatly by advertising.

It is representative of the lowest common denominator of humanity.

As such, it is a signpost of what we should be moving away from, not towards.

I have 73 channels of cable. At any given time, fully 50 channels are advertising, and the othe 23 are in various stages of coming up to,
returning from, or in the middle of, a commercial.

Collectively, we suffer a lot of boring, stupid messages placed into our heads by a nonstop machine of greed.

:x

 

[Forkbender]

Isn't word of mouth advertisement as well? And isn't manipulation something that exists any way the wind blows?

Fight the disease, not the symptoms.

 

[spice]

Isn't word of mouth advertisement as well?

NO.

Doesn't manipulation exist any which way the wind blows?

Yes, but why add to it by giving in with such a defeated, defeat-ist attitude?

That just makes it more difficult to undo, because people are so damn herd-like that they find it easier to nod and go 'yeah'

rather than examine it and do the work required to light a candle in the dark.


This isn't physiological medicine....sometimes zen applies, as here, the disease IS the symptoms

 

[Forkbender]

If advertisement will be banned, word of mouth will become a lot more insincere, believe me, people will do things for money.

I'm not being defeatist, I'm just saying that the real problem (as you said: people's insecurities and other people taking advantage of this) is not solved by banning advertisement. As long as people still have insecurities (and I don't see any reason why this will stop), they will be manipulated by others, be they large corporations or your 'friend' who gets you into some kind of pyramidscheme.

 

[spice]

point taken, but personal insecurities and the manipulation thereof, are but one facet of this thing....

merely the HUGE waste of time that is spent doing this, and listening to this.....

then you have this certain species of moron, common to America, that gets a lot of their FACTS from commercials.....


I can't say that there is much good coming of them, and accepting them just because its there seems like a regression.

 

[HeartCore]

I saw an add for a healthy mc donalds meal last night.

 

[random]

What I think is that people are ,more and more, regrading. Or they just don't follow what is happening in the world.
And this fact leads to a thought. And that's the thought that is the base of all advertisment and manipulation. People always think (unconsciously) that "they" (by this I mean "smart" people, or the people that "lead" our culture) know what they are doing. And they are the specialized ones, so they don't make mistakes and they are correct. And that's why people don't question, first themselfs, and then the world that surrounds them.

I don't consider myself a victiom of advertisement. Well, first because I don't waste time looking at a television (anyway, who needs it when you have internet?). Second, because I think I'm aware of advertisment and by that is my common sense to know their game plays. So I don't waste time thinking
about it.

But, well... since I can't (at the moment) plant my own food, I have to buy food. And the food that is selled in the markets have a brand. Am I a victim because I buy them? I don't think so. That's how things are. And that, we can't change. Unless, as I said, you plant your own food, wich is not possible for most of us.

Other than that, like buying clothes just because is fashion, or buying that because you saw a person with it and you loved it, going to mcdonalds (classic one ) and etc... then yes... you are being brain-washed without noticing.

 

[Guest]

I saw an add for a healthy mc donalds meal last night.

HAHAHAHA, LMAO

 

[Forkbender]

I can't say that there is much good coming of them, and accepting them just because its there seems like a regression.

Well, the good thing is that some products actually do make your life better, compared to most other products. The problem is of course that since both the products are advertised that the product that sells the most, has the most money behind it to put into advertising.

In my mind there is a difference between accepting advertisement and actually listening to it (although I am probably just as susceptible as the next person to commercials), but the thing is that ANY message is tainted, trying to sell something, be it a truth about some war in a foreign country or the new album by some rock band. It is the responsibility of the public to filter out the messages they don't want to hear. If a message doesn't come across, it loses its function and will be just energy spent. If people don't have a shit detector it's not unusual for them to end up full of shit. Media literacy is easier to attain than some prohibition on manipulating the public.

Compare it to drugs: will a ban on drugs stop people from using them? no. Same with manipulation: will a ban on manipulation stop corporations from manipulating? no, they will just start to manipulate the people in charge of checking if something is manipulation as well.

 

[Soulcatcher]

Tv commercials already make me crazy over here (NL) but when there is an American program on you can tell when there would be a commercial break in the USA (but first we are going to the break, more after!! and then it just continues here..) There are 4 breaks per hour or so in general.. I can't imagine how frustrated you will be in the US of Advertising.

And yes, it is wrong.

edit: come to think of it.. the situation here will probably like that in a few years.. just another example of the moving line in the sand you mentioned elsewhere.

 

[buffachino]

That's how things are. And that, we can't change. Unless, as I said, you plant your own food, wich is not possible for most of us.

Now that’s defeatist; can I ask if you have tried?
Or is it just easier to buy your food, shut up and take it up the ass?
Personally I don’t like having a metallic transponder lodged in my rectum relaying information to some retail industry, informing them what I ate for breakfast, so they can make a product specifically tailored to suck me further into their void of meaningless avarice.

Welcome to the commercial channel; all ads, all the time!

 

[GOD]

"Personally I don’t like having a metallic transponder lodged in my rectum relaying information to some retail industry"

Thats a good idea , you could patent it and sell them . Maybe with an intigrated cell fon with vibrator ring function and heating ?

 

[random]

But, well... since I can't (at the moment) plant my own food, I have to buy food. And the food that is selled in the markets have a brand. Am I a victim because I buy them? I don't think so. That's how things are. And that, we can't change. Unless, as I said, you plant your own food, wich is not possible for most of us.

this was my statement. If you read it closely before picking some of the words on the end of it, I think I don't need to reply to your question.


But look, I live in a "big" city. In a appartment. I have bills to pay, I have to work daily. And as I said, "At the moment" I cant plant my own food. In the Present Now, I can't do it. This doesn't mean I don't wish to do it.

Tell me, where is the supply of your food? Well, if you have a space where you live that you can plant your own food, everything I can say is: Lucky Bastard! I don't. But I wish I had!

Now thats defeatist; can I ask if you have tried?

I haven't because I live in a appartment. On a city. And unfortunatly, cement is not very fertile

Welcome to the commercial channel; all ads, all the time!

Wanting or not, from the time you were born you are part of that commercial channel.


Now I don't think I'm a defeatist. Even in the contrary. I'm Optimist. And I've always said that. But be wise buff. How can people in the citys feed themselfs daily without using brand products? How? It's impossible. Think above. I'm not saying that I agree with marketing, advertisement or etc... I think I made that pretty clear. Advertising, marketing, brand corporations, etc... as Bill Hicks says, they are all "Suckers Of Satans Cock".
Food corporations are stronger than you think. They are probably the strongest ones. Because they feed life. Every day they sell Millions and Millions of products. Every single day. And tell me, what I can do about that? Or you? Or anyone here?
And even if you eat veg food, wich I 100% agree, you are "having a metallic transponder lodged in my rectum relaying information to some retail industry, informing them what I ate for breakfast, so they can make a product specifically tailored to suck me further into their void of meaningless avarice", because they also are brands and are worried about the Money.

I hope I leave this city some day. I just have to be patient.

 

[MindAstronaut]

Commercials drive me crazy too, its really polution for the mind.
One of the reasons i barely watch any tv..

Its nothing more then useless bullshit that fils the innocient mind, take a look at kids how coporations are fucking manipulating them with those commercials, they provide totally brainwashed screaming kiddies.

Coporations have a big responsibilty in our society, the should be much more carefull on what they projecting on our minds..
And this is one of the things where they not living up to.
Its only about the $$ and fuck our social model.. and that need to change..

 

[ararat]

Coporations have a big responsibilty in our society, the should be much more carefull on what they projecting on our minds..

they should stop doing this on purpose :retard:


I can't stand advertising neither. some make me want to smack those people in the face.

what bugs me is, that if I really will study photography, it will be likely that I will have to work at some point of life for advertising-agencies... I hope it will be possible without that :|


>>polution for the mind
well said

 

[GOD]

If the governments of the world would spend as much time making sure that advertising was fair and honest as they do persecuting people that use holy sacraments there wouldnt be a problem . The problems are that lots of advertising is deeply dishonest , that there is to much of it and that it often spoils what we can see of the world . = blinking plastic , neon shit and endless plakards .

 

[????????]

Who stills watches tv here????

I don't watch news, I don't believe a word they say; the majority of programs I find uninteresting and the few I do, are overrun by the omnipresent ads... I used to just watch discovery and animal planet and movies but now I get everything I want and more from the internet.

I cannot think of something tv would offer me I'd want or I already have/could get through internet... seriously, throw away those tvs!!

 

[mysticwarrior]

This is an very interesting subject, well in fact, one of my favorites.

Let's go back in to history. As we do this, we can truly see that even when there is no television, people have always been manipulating each other for there own purposes. It sounds sad, but it's true. Were even persuade our own parents. If we wanted a candy, we did know how to ask it. We had to ask it nice en gently, so our parents could not just say "NO". As kid we already knew, if we asked for a candy on a way like this. "Damn, you fuck! Give me a candy or i will be mad." That this will hardly work. Only a scared defenseless man will give in to this badly way of persuasion.

This persuasion is taking place on a local scale, but like everything in life. The governments, multinationals etc, are just a reflection of our own behavior. And they are just doing the same as we do, only they do it on a mass scale, and because they have more tools to exploit us they can do it on a mass-scale. Like it is in our nature to persuade, it is also in the nature of these people. If there conscious of it or not, they will just persuade because there success is depending on this persuasion Persuasion/Manipulation is just something that is in our nature. Some will be better then others, and the best persuading/manipulating people are the ones who live more comfortable. Most of the time, these people have more money, because they exploited there own environment with success. And because of these success they grow stronger and stronger while in the same time the people who are not talented in persuasion are loosing it all.

Where just always looking how to persuade each other, we even persuad our best friends, so where just looking and try to find there weaknesses and try to exploit these like a computer hacker is trying to find the weaknesses in software and exploit these also.

Our mind just works like a computer, we even have certain electronic circuits in our body. But our computer is much more advanced than these plastic computer's were we spend our time with. Our computer-mind is much more connected to the world then anything else is.

But, let's go back to the persuasion/manipulation which is done by the big money makers, who can effort tools like television to do the job for them . And whats been said before, it is only because they have more money and are already strong persuading/manipulating people, they also have the money to invest in better ways to persuade or manipulate the people in this world. The more money, the bigger the company, the better the success of persuasion or manipulation will be.

But how does it work? Can we resist against these persuasion or manipulation?
First of all, no we can't resist, we will always be persuaded because our environment is been persuaded and manipulated and where just like sheeps. Will just go with the mass for own savety. If we don't go with the mass, we wil be ridiculed and condemned by the rest of the sheeps. Of course there are many people who don't care and think they are free.

Persuasion or manipulation is done this way, a computer hacker will find search for a great weakenis in an sofware application. After this is done, they will program an exploit which will overload the software, so the exploit has the chance to load his own application and have persuaded the program with the weakenis.

So the same works for people, people can only handle a certain amount of information, when you just use the television and are blowing mass amounts of information, people don't know what to think anymore. These is where the manipulators can turn on there own program and can let you believe what they are want you to believe.

I can write a book about it, because it fascinated me for a long time. And the more i did understand of about this manipulation and persuasion the more angry i was be. How could they just manipulate on such a mass-scale, but then i saw that everyone was doing the samething and that governments, multinationals etc, are just a reflection of our thinking process. And of course, lots of these money makers are aware of these methods and are using them with success, as long they are not the victims them selfs. There just saving there own asses like anyone else.

We really need to understand, that everything is just a game an experience, which you can learn when your on psychedelics. In fact, we just need to accept everything and trying to have a good time. We even need to love hell, before we can live in heaven. It's all a big game, and once you get the big-picture, you will laugh about it.

Everything just is because it is, but if more people now the rules of the game, we also can changes the rules and change the game. This is what always have happened. There is always a handfull of people who are willing and risking there own lives to show us the rules and the more people who are understanding the rules how harder the game will get. It can even lead to wars etc, but still it is a game. And we just need to experience, and trying the best we can. And finaly enough people have the understanding about how certain things works, and once they reach the masses the rules will change. And this will happen again and again. Where just expanding our consious.

We can be sad about how life is right on this moment, but don't believe the illusion that there where times where life was more easy then right now in these western civilisation. If you had these thought thousand years ago, you where already where burned as a witch, and where slowly killed with funny tools to make a hard time on your live.

As freedom fighters we always make lots of risks, but finnally (time can also be seconds, we all now these on this forum) we make a evoltution which you can hardly notice, because it go's very slow.

In Holland we had a long time, some money makers on the television. They made stupid mind-puzzles etc, and abused the sick people to spend all the money they had on such a foolish games. But once to many people where understanding these problem and also some politicians so the emergency to stop these ridicules games, it had been stopped. This is just a small step in the right way and we also can take a step back in the future, but most of the time where expanding our awareness, which will bring lots of problems for us to deal with. There is nothing to do about this accept for just experiencing and showing people the ways you think it's best.

The sixties with the LSD is also a time, where people where undergoing an evolution. These big changes happening once in a while, and it will happen again and again.

JUST LIVE, EXPERIENCE AND TRYING TO HAVE A GOOD TIME, that's what's important for your mind. I have been frustrated my hole life time long, i cried everyday, because people where so cruel to each other and to mother nature. I mean, when i found out that our meat we where eating as kids came directly from a concentration camps where thousands of animals where abused and killed just for our needs, i was astonished. I could not believe this, and it drive me insane. I was loosing my completely, but after my whole life time of research, i've found out that there was nothing to do about. But i could not enjoy life anymore, and had to recover totally. This is where psychedelics helped my, they wiped a lot of my thoughts and showed my that life could be nice and fun ass well as a hell of a time. And that we can choose, what we wanting to experience.

Pow, i think i`m over reacting I sometimes do. I`m sorry for wasting so much of your time, but will laugh about it at the same time. I don't bother what you think about it, because what i have described is only my perception of the world, and we all have our own perception and interpretating reality. So i don't have to discuss about what is true or not, for me this is the true while for someone else it would be a lie on the same time. That's how life works, we can live in heaven or we can live in hell. And it's up to us, what we choose.

I was not planning to write so much, but it just happened, so let it be

Have good time folks

Greets,
Mysticwarrior.

 

[mysticwarrior]

The world is just like the cartoon, alice in wonderland. And the big question is.... How for down the rabbit hole can you get It's just a thought which came to me right now. Because when you go deep enough, thinks will get blurry and once you coming back, things will be crystal clear

Who stills watches tv here????

I do watch television, not that i like it so much. But still it's fun to understand the deeper understanding of there propaganda It can frustrate you, but just take a piss and laugh about these noncense can be fun to Of course, the computer brings you the information you want, sometimes it's always good to handle some information which you never have asked for. The television has also his positive propaganda, if used on the right way it could be a massive eye opener. Which it is sometimes.

greets,
Mysticwarrior.

 

[Forkbender]

^I agree. Watching television is a way to 'understand thine enemy'.

*/gets a cup of coffee and starts reading mysticwarrior's essay...