Absolute Truth

[Caduceus Mercurius]

I stumbled upon these statements today. There's a bit more where this came from, but I decided to first share this selection, because it touches upon the issues of religion and truth raised in another topic.

162. Since the human does not know what is of Creation, and is
led astray, namely by spirit-enslaving religions, he makes a great
many mistakes, searches for the true treasures in the wrong
places and, thereby, violates all nature-related and creative order
and all rules of laws.
163. As precisely as he will observe the human laws of the
human society, he still will constantly offend against all laws and
rules and order of what is creative in the universe, and will let
himself be captured in human-material troubles, sorrows and
problems, in fright, false teachings, deceptions and failings, in
misfortune, spiritual ignorance and spiritual enslavement and
restrictions.
164. Exactly what is of greatest value will be made unobtainable
by unreal religions and human ignorance.
165. To the human, this ignorance and the misleading religions
disguise that which is the source of all valuable things, the life of
his life and the light of all intelligence-the spirit and the Creation.
166. The human shall accept the entire realm of his daily life and
his experiences as creative.
167. He shall see himself everywhere in space, in all times and
in all things.
168. He himself shall be everything and shall evoke all that is
creative in everything, and, in this way, shall bring it to
recognition and experience.
169. For, in everything is the Creation, and everything is
enlivened through its spirit, through which everything is one in
everything.
170. However the question remains how the human may identify
himself with everything when he does not know the spirit's path.
171. Generally, he identifies himself with his body.
172. But what will happen when he tries to enter into the truth
and aligns himself in his interior with the creative BEING and the
spiritual reality?
173. Involuntarily the entire world dissolves in this real reality,
the "spiritual truth".
174. The one and only principle of what is creative-spiritual.
rules everywhere.
175. But how shall the human identify himself with everything?
176. The human shall see himself for just what he really is.
177. Generally he identifies himself with his body.
178. He cares for it like it were a gem, he nurtures it and takes
trouble for it until self-sacrifice.
179. He surrounds it with pride, junk and a stupid delusion, while
he lets his spirit become stunted.
180. However, a little bit of pain makes him angry, sullen and
uncomfortable against other ones, or he even starts complaining
and crying, has self-pity and robs himself of his life.
181. He surrounds his body with some nondescript halo and with
vanity, fear, sorrow, pride and problems.
182. More and more often, everything revolves around his body
only.
183. Often he extends his body identity towards his material
possessions, or he gets upset if some fellowman involuntarily
touches it.
184. Yet, what will a human do about it when he has recognized
the spiritual truth?
185. He will identify himself with all things and all the world's life
forms and the universes.
186. A human full of creative-spiritual wisdom, full of knowledge,
truth, love and cognition, knows that from the truth everything
originated, originates and will originate for all eternity.
187. Therefore, he identifies himself with each and everything.
188. In his spiritual consciousness, he will always be-in his
innermost part-one with each and everything.
189. In his interior, in his spiritual consciousness, he will identify
himself with everything in the universe, in the same manner that
the other one, who thinks materialistically, identifies himself with
his body, with his money, his possessions, his confused speaking
and teaching, and with the sound of his voice.
190. But when the human identifies himself with everything in
the universe, no hate and no greed may dwell within him
anymore, because he makes no more selfish differences.
191. He has just become one with the essence in everything.
192. Other people may claim something as their exclusive
property, but he who thinks spiritually identifies it with the truth
within and, therefore, owns everything internally.
193. All fright has left him, while he identifies himself with the
truth.
194. This truth of Creation and of the spirit, with which he is
one, even directs his enemy's hand that will rise against him, in
such a way that it falls back to (the enemy) himself.
195. The spiritual one is protected and sheltered, and the whole
nature is well-disposed toward him, and yes, even his enemies
have to serve him in the end.
196. With their attacks, they cause the spiritual within him to
unfold to even greater strength and power and to overcome all
that is evil, vile and degenerated.
197. Ultimately, the enemies only contribute to the recognition
of the truth and growth of those who think spiritually.
198. They wish evil, troubles and bad things to those who think
spiritually; they are of the opinion that they could destroy them
through critique, know-it-all manner, lies and defamation,
through complaints and false teachings, through condemning and
making a fool of him; however, they only cause damage to
themselves, because their acting gives testimony of intellectual
foolishness and ignorance, from which he who thinks spiritually
learns even more and becomes even greater and more powerful
in his spirit and consciousness.
199. Are such truths perhaps suggestions?
200. To claim this would be a delusion, because it is false.
201. It deals here with absolute truths.
202. Generally, the lives of those who are thinking falsely, who
are led astray and are depending upon religions, are full of evil
suggestions, full of imaginary concepts, false teachings and
delusional assumptions.
203. The only possibility and the only means to overcome those
damages is to fundamentally recognize the truths which abolish
the human figments, to adhere to them and to let rule the
highest creative-spiritual forces.
204. All unreal suggestions and human imaginations will be
corrected by stating: "I, the human, am a part of Creation that,
as a fragment, as spirit, enlivens me."
205. Yet the knowledge that everything is imaginations and
illusions, except the creative-spiritual force, truth and reality,
(this knowledge) doesn't diminish the eagerness that the human
unfolds in his life at all, but it will drive him up into unimagined
heights.
206. Only that which is true and which remains truth can be
valid as truth; something on which one can depend on through
eternity, and that never and under no circumstances ever needs
revision.
207. Truth must never be adjusted to some other or new time,
because it is constant for all times.
208. It is eternally constant and always sounds alike, even if it is
spoken with other words.
209. It is the rock upon which one can build in eternal times and
in all spaces.
210. The truth has been before life, and the truth is afterwards
also.
211. What is only of a short duration is danger, a grave
deception, a false teaching.
212. Creation and truth are always the same, today just as
tomorrow; they are always unchanging and of eternal, constant
value.
213. They do not change, neither name nor form, because
Creation and truth are without names and forms.
214. Therefore, the human shall cling to what is creative,
because alone what is creative is the truth.
215. It is that which is imperishable, like Creation itself; it is that
which is eternal and perfect, that is worth all of human's efforts
of will, because near it the human does not fall prey to
deception.
216. Therefore, he shall cling to the truth and become
imperturbable in always constant calmness, joy, knowledge, love,
strength and wisdom in all things.
217. That which is creative alone is endless wisdom and truth,
with which there is not one iota of error.
218. Therefore, the human shall get strength from the creative
wisdom, and he shall search for his light in his own spirit.
219. The spiritual human knows well that he may not move his
hand in a room without touching myriad of what is creative,
because it is always present in all times and spaces.
220. The spiritual human is full of joy when he knows about the
truth that the creative-which is eternally and indescribably
powerful-surrounds him wherever he walks.
221. What is creative is full of endless peace, full of endless
cognition and the most perfect perfection.
222. It is the source of all wonders of the highest spiritual
consciousness that is present everywhere, within and external.
223. His joy is as endless as the spiritual life itself.
224. In order to achieve fast spiritual progress, the spiritual
human looks upon each and everything as creative.
225. As soon as he sees something, he sees what is creative.
226. Behind everything and in its manifestations, there always
stands before him what is creative.
227. Therefore, the spiritual human does not walk this way and
that way in order to attain the highest spiritual experience;
instead he always finds the best place to gather recognition and
experience wherever he stays.
228. His spirit that is to be developed is within him and not at
some other location.
229. He must develop it through his own thinking and acting.
230. Through this cognition, his attitude becomes a sanctuary,
and all things along with him become holy-even the earth under
his feet.
231. The spiritual human does not look upon the future as the
time to experience Creation and the spirit dwelling within him,
but the immediate "here and now", through which he-in the eyes
of the non-spiritual normal people-lives in the most distant
future, often totally misunderstood.
232. For the spiritual human, the time is not sometime, but
always in the immediate "here and now".
233. For him it is not necessary to see physically in order to see
the truth.
234. He begins to search within himself, and the truth becomes
more and more real to him, because for him his spirit is the allseeing
presence.
235. No word that is spoken anywhere remains unheard by him.
236. In order to speed progress the spiritual human hears the
sound of truth from any sound he hears, whereby each sound
penetrates his spiritual consciousness and establishes there.
237. In the same manner every thing reminds him of that which
is creative, and of the immediate truth.
238. Every circumstance is a creative circumstance, each
opportunity a creative opportunity.
239. The creative human lives and works in such cognition, and
through this he internally walks on.
240. What is great, what is spiritual, is present within his
innermost as little things, because in the cognition of truth dwells
what is infinite in the finite.
241. And within each human the infinite has its seat; however,
very few are able to recognize this.
242. To wake up the infinite requires reasonable logic and being
free from unreal teachings.
243. To wake up the infinite and let it become effective is the
goal of life-spiritual perfection.
244. Those who are rich in spirit become an instrument, through
which Creation expresses the spiritual realm.
245. This highest wisdom-like value of Creation lets the heaven
arise.
246. Those who are rich in spirit are free of all boundaries of any
restriction and the material self-awareness, and are, therefore, in
constant touch with Creation itself.

 

[Psychoid]

Very interesting. Could I by any mean get the full version? I would really like to read it all...

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

The full version is here: http://www.theyfly.com/PDF/IntroToSpiritual Teachings.pdf

 

[phalaris]

that's a lot of text, and the hairs in my neck went tingling from the topic name 'Absolute Truth'

are you serious ?

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

Yes. What is absolute truth?

 

[buffachino]

CaduceusMercurius: ... What is absolute truth?

Only the personal realization of love for yourself and all things; no more of an absolute conclusion can be drawn.

Nice thread again man, but it is true that it's alot of text, :lol:

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

CaduceusMercurius: ... What is absolute truth?

The way things really are, as opposed to our opinions and perceptions of the world.

To be continued...

 

[Meduzz]

like: "1+1=2" and "grass is green" "food is good"?
isn't this true because we asume it is, from a human perspective?

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

like: "1+1=2" and "grass is green" "food is good"?
isn't this true because we asume it is, from a human perspective?

Perhaps, but what if it's possible for human beings to arrive at certain conclusions which are universally applicable because they are rooted in what is actually true? Especially human beings who do no not limit themselves to outer space, but explore inner space as well. The idea that awareness, for example yours, is awareness may be truth, and thus the statement that "Though what is experienced inevitably changes, or goes through birth and death, awareness itself never changes and never dies", could in fact be an absolute principle of creation, and absolute principle of life, and absolute truth. If you study different systems of religion and philosophy, for example the many schools of thought in India, you'll find that despite all relative differences, they all embrace a similar view on the nature of the soul: it is the eternal, unchanging witness of it all. It never dies, and can never be slain." This is the atma tattva (knowledge of the self/Self) that forms the basis of the Bhagavad-gita and the Upanisads, and there are very few groups who disagree with this. This may very well be absolute truth. Whether any individual agrees it is an absolute truth is another matter. The absolute truth is there, and will always be the same, but to what degree we can grasp it is up to us. Reality is not concerned with our interpretation of it.

The absolute truth is beyond our terminology and language. The truth is that grass functions on the basis of what we term photosynthesis, and it's also true that human beings all perceive grass as green. Yes, these are relative truths because we simply describe what we see, with our human senses. However, these descriptions are closer to the truth than "God painted them green on the 6th day of creation." Perhaps a silly example, but from this we can conclude that it's indeed possible to arrive at a better understanding of reality, and that such understanding may be defended, or indeed utilized to enlighten people so that they give up concepts and belief systems which are indeed false.

I'd say that "the planets circle around the Sun" is a higher truth than "the Sun and the planets orbit around the Earth." An even higher truth, i.e. closer to the absolute truth, is that the planets orbit the Sun, while the Sun orbits another star."

If my awareness is eternal, and I'm starting to get pretty damn sure of that, while the body is a temporary vehicle, if that is indeed true, then when I say these words, I'm talking about an absolute truth.

 

[Meduzz]

my opinion on "truth" has always been that truth is something asymptotic, approacheable but not reacheable.
and that in fact, no one is "right"
we only can base truths on things we can percieve trough certain things we have develloped trough evolution. religion or psychedelics are able to activate things (i'm using the term "things" a lot because i don't feel like using the word "senses") that were not needed for evolution, thus giving us a bit more insight in "cosmic" truth.

i'm sorry if all this sounds a bit cold, i'm kind of nihilistic/agnostic. but science and psychedelics give me more "fear and wonder" than any religion could do.
by science, i do mean science that goes beyond human perception like quantum mechanics and relativity. i do have an interest in religions that are like a kind of science itself like budhism or sjamanism, with no all-knowing entity watching us.

where facts end religion begins but it's not because something is probably not true that it's not interesting. whatever is out there

 

[BrainEater]

Think about that one: 8)

-The Moon orbits the Earth
-The Earth and Moon orbit the Sun
-The Solar System orbits the centre of a galaxy which is supposed to be (correct me if i'm talking shit) a black hole (?) or a superstar of incredible dimensions
-The Galaxy orbits a black hole (????)
-The Bunches of Galaxies orbit whatever????
-Whatever orbits ????????????? Who knows....

Maybe astronomists do. I informed myself about this stuff and i think roughly that's it. But i didn't go too deep into it so i don't know too much about it.

Crazy shit is this. What is a human being in comparison to that infinity?

What is infinity in comparison to a human being????

Anyway i don't quite share the opinion about the absolute truth, that it doesn't care about you as a human being or whatever. You're part of this
"Absolute Truth" so.........draw your own conclusions.

greetings

 

[tryptonaut]

I can't concentrate right now to go through all of this. But I'm pretty sure I experienced all of it in the last few hours.

Everything is good. Love you all, have a good day!!!

 

[yourownworld]

there is not any absolute truth (however it would, it wouldn't be convertable to words), there are only points of view. That's why I never stop my thoughts on a final concept, I allow myself to think from each point of view.

The truth is the more you think the less you're happy, but, hey, who here would exchange his mind for a mechanical happiness ?

please don't consider what I write as my full though

PS: science is a point of view, a way to think the world as a pure mechanical thing where there would be natural rules... (science could explain why the monkey started getting a conscience and why he created the religions, I even have read an article that show the part of our brain which make us naturally 'believing"). Read some philosophy and think about "beeing able to think like we do is an error of the nature"

 

[BrainEater]

This is so true. Science is so corrupted in it's way of thinking nowadays. Many scientists are WAY too stuck in their own thought complexes.

It's true mostly, as well the more you think, the less you're happy. But you can do the opposite too, the more you think, the more you're happy, but you need to have "control" when to stop thinking. It's about what thoughts you have...If you have thoughts that make you happy alright If not you'd better not think too much! 8) Because compulsive thinking is one of the greatest diseases around.

 

[aE3]

interesting stuff but there's no such thing as 'absolute truth'.
How can there be ?
The universe is not infinite, nor is it static & unchanging.
It comes & goes in blips & blops & outside of it are just more blips & blops than contained together make a bleppy sound.
Repeated & magnified or divided & microfied it's all a series of blips, blops, bleps & blaps.
Not one part is intrisically alone, each blip needs to blop along.
You can get a kind of 'truth' out of it all, but never anything called 'absolute truth' as it has no meaning.
If you are really really lucky or prceptive you may just go over an edge & hear the 'Great Blether' & you might think it's absolute truth cos it sounds awesome, but that just your brain doing a blap spasm.