A simple question about evaporating READ & HELP!!

[CykadelicDream]

Ok so i've looked thru a bunch of teks on how to go about making DMT but alot have a step which quotes

"Then evaporate the contents of the container down to 50 milliliters"....

So my question is how do I do that? Like do I put the container near a window and watch it all day till its at the 50ml. mark or is this a process that im just not getting? If anyone could inform me of what to do Detailed help would be very much appreciated.

Thank You!!

 

[GOD]

Either warm it up and / or blow air over it with a fan . It takes ages and the whole area stinks .

Heating it up is a stupid idea , the vapore is explosive and heavyer than air so it sinks onto the heater .

 

[Jahvisions]

the same discussion as earlier today. If you you want pure crystals, you must neither warm it up nor blow a fan over it. Just be patient.

Maybe we should make a thread about what different choices you can make. We should make disctinct in our aims. Do you want it fast, cheap, pure or the highest possible yield?

 

[Jahvisions]

I forgot easy

 

[Jahvisions]

I forgot easy

 

[GOD]

Why should warming it up not give as good results as not doing it ? Besides blowing dust into the solution what are the reasons for not using a fan ?

 

[Jahvisions]

A solution can hold a certain amount of substance. When it's saturated no substance will dissolve anymore.

Now when all the dmt is dissolved and the evapoartion goes quicker(less solution) the faster the dmt will come out.

When the crystals are forming quicker they enclose little impurities that where in the solution. So the slower the crystals grow the less impurities it will contain.

 

[IJesusChrist]

Ok so i've looked thru a bunch of teks on how to go about making DMT but alot have a step which quotes

"Then evaporate the contents of the container down to 50 milliliters"....

So my question is how do I do that? Like do I put the container near a window and watch it all day till its at the 50ml. mark or is this a process that im just not getting? If anyone could inform me of what to do Detailed help would be very much appreciated.

Thank You!!

Which step are you talking about?

1. Add acid + water to pulp.

If this step, you are suppose to SIMMER it on a stove overnight, the vapours are not flammable, and not very stinky, God is thinking of a different step I think.

Last step is taking the Solvent (usually NAPTHA) that contains the DMT and putting it on a dish, if it's this step, then you dissolve EVERYTHING.
You don't want anything besides DMT from this stage so let it dry out by a window with a fan blowing over it (as this step it is very combustible, and heat by anything over 150 can destroy DMT)

So if you're talking about the ACID / WATER / PULP Solution, just either let it dry out over a few days, or let it simmer on a stove for 10-24 hours...

But be careful, as if theres no more liquid, in the solution, the DMT may be destroyed, so watch carefully lolz

 

[GOD]

"When the crystals are forming quicker they enclose little impurities that where in the solution. So the slower the crystals grow the less impurities it will contain."

So when it goes slower the impuritys dont get enclosed in the DMT crystals they form seperate crystals ? What impuritys do you mean ? And how do you get them out of the end product ?

" God is thinking of a different step I think. "

I was thinking of how one evaporates the naptha / petrol product from the end product . Thats where most people have problems with evaporation . I take it for granted that when someone boils a plant product in water they realise that it will concentrate it .

 

[Entheonaut]

"When the crystals are forming quicker they enclose little impurities that where in the solution. So the slower the crystals grow the less impurities it will contain."

So when it goes slower the impuritys dont get enclosed in the DMT crystals they form seperate crystals ? What impuritys do you mean ? And how do you get them out of the end product ?

" God is thinking of a different step I think. "

I was thinking of how one evaporates the naptha / petrol product from the end product . Thats where most people have problems with evaporation . I take it for granted that when someone boils a plant product in water they realise that it will concentrate it .

If you take the DMT right out of the freezer, and all(most all) crystals have been formed. You should pour of as much naphta as you can. Then you have to let the remaining little bit of naphta evaporate. The rate of evaporation should not have any significant influence on the purity of the spice since the crystals allready have been formed. Only when you don't pour off all the naphta, and the rate of evaporation is very slow. The temperature of the naphta will raise and the product will start to dissolve back into the solvent again. This could affect the purity because if the naphta evaporates, the crystals will reform faster this time and impurities will be enclosed in the crystals.

 

[GOD]

Thanks for the explanation . What impuritys are we talking about and how does one get them out of the end product ?

 

[Meduzz]

"What impuritys are we talking about and how does one get them out of the end product ?"

Naphta dissolvable impurities, that's why I think the acid step is important.
In acidic water, DMT will not migrate to the naphta phase but these impurities will. But as you pointed out, the practical side, it's a waste of naphta and time.

 

[GOD]

"In acidic water, DMT will not migrate to the naphta phase but these impurities will"

The acid makes things to salts , salts dont go over into the naptha . That means that the impuritys are not salts and go over into the naptha weather you do an A/B or just a B extraction ? = its irelevant which method you use the impuritys end up in the naptha ? And non salt impuritys get washed out when one uses an amonia wash ?

 

[Meduzz]

"That means that the impuritys are not salts and go over into the naptha weather you do an A/B or just a B extraction ? = its irelevant which method you use the impuritys end up in the naptha ?"

Well if you have naphta without alkaloids and with impurities you can throw it away.

"And non salt impuritys get washed out when one uses an amonia wash ?"

I think that's for the removal of acid parts. Remeber: DMT is freebase. (similar process to base cocaine, amonia is very agressive to salt with something)

 

[GOD]

"Well if you have naphta without alkaloids and with impurities you can throw it away. "

Thats obvious , thats the reason for washing the acid part with naptha before basing it , but you didnt answer my question . People have been saying that there are impuritys in the end product , wich means that they must have gone through the acid and the base phase and ended up in the naptha .= it doesnt matter what you do they are in the end product ?

"I think that's for the removal of acid parts."

But they arent there as acid parts because they have been based in the base part ? So what does the amonia wash wash out ? And what impuritys are we talking about ? Other tryptamines ? And how does anything that has survived the acid / base and naptha stage get separated from the DMT ?

 

[Meduzz]

I'm only familiar with the theoretics of acid base extraction. Theoretically, your product in the naphta should only consist of organic bases = allkaloids. With straight to base extraction the naphta contains anything from the plant that dissolves in organic fases.
So the impurities must come from imprecision in the process itself.

I'm planning on buying some MHRB in some months to perform different methods on, and calculate everything stoichiometrically. So then I'll have some practical feet to stand on, but I'm pretty sure on the theory.

 

[ProStoner]

"Thats obvious , thats the reason for washing the acid part with naptha before basing it , but you didnt answer my question . People have been saying that there are impuritys in the end product , wich means that they must have gone through the acid and the base phase and ended up in the naptha .= it doesnt matter what you do they are in the end product ? "

hmm
well mostly the spice that comes out is yellowish, so that is an impurity
and I believe that with homecooking dmt it will be hard to have a spice without impurity

but the way to get this out is the recrystalization
putting like a gram of dmt in a small amount of naptha untill it doesn't dissolve anymore thus saturating the naptha
then u let that stand untill the naptha has been vaporized, u now should have a more clear crystal and on the bottom will most likely be a yellowish goo that stayed behind, and that yellow goo is what came out of the dmt.

I hope this answered your question, or maybe I just completely missunderstood your question haha

 

[GOD]

So , the end product cant be realy clean DMT , it also contains other based salts like other tryptamines . And that the amonia wash only washes some non bases out like fats .

Now we have got to the point that i was talking about all the time . It doesnt mater what you do there are impuritys in the end product . And that it doesnt make a difference to the purity of the end product if you use an A/B extraction or a B extraction if you wash with amonia solution and recrystalise . = in the original case in this thread it would be easyer , faster and cheaper to just do a base extraction ?

Wich also means that doing a "freeze" wont make the end product cleaner because its irelevant weather the salts in the end product are mixed with eachother as individual salts or if they have crystalised as mixed salt crystals .