A question about limonene

[aryaman]

Hi guys.

SWIM was wondering, since he finally found some d-limo, if it can be used just as naphta in a standard A/B, separating layers, then put to freeze precipitate. Is the freeze precipitation efficent? Does it suck down N-Oxide and jungle spice too, beside Spice?

Thanks

 

[IJesusChrist]

Yes, however it is well documented that another substance gets extracted along with the DMT when using limonene. We like to call it Jungle spice, or dark spice. It is a dark red color, blood like and some have reported it to be even stronger than DMT.

I don't know/remember if it has been labelled as a specific chemical yet though.

Limonene is the way to go, as you get an extra bonus, and don't need such extreme pH levels (however, your pH will still bevery high! to begin, follow step by step tek's and just replace the word naptha with limonene)

 

[EndlessEntity]

im pretty new to this site. just thought i'd get my opinion out there.
swim used naphtha and got pure white crystals. never had any red in it
they're always pure and transparent.
although one times i think some condensation might have seeped in and mixed with the naphtha, resulting in a brown/yellowish spice mixture.. swim bravely tested it and it was still good lol :drinkers:

 

[IJesusChrist]

Right, naptha doesn't contain jungle spice - leaving pure crystals, if you do it nicely.

Limonene is more polar and pulls out another compound.

 

[aryaman]

Yes, it pulls a good amount of stuff... the problem is just that it doesn't freeze precipitate, and to take the goodies you'd need to salt them out with fumaric acid (wich I don't know if salts jungle spice and N-Oxyde too), and have some loss when passing it into freebase.
I was looking into another way to get those from limonene...
or also some suggestion about how using DCM.
I mean, just pulling out as normal naphta, and then? does it freeze precipitate? Or I should just let it evaporate (distilling it, so that I can use it again)?
It should pull much goodies too

 

[IJesusChrist]

DCM BP: 176 °C
Naptha BP: ~160-220°C

You could just evaporate it off, however, I'm getting the feeling you don't have the chemistry set up.

The boiling point of DMT is somewhere near 400-500°C (Probably)

I'm fairly certain limonene isn't very toxic, nor is it explosive or volatile enough to do anything scary if you just put the fully extracted limonene solution in the oven and let it boil off over night of course if you let it go too long, and opened the door to an oven full of DMT vapor, then good bye reality ppahahahaha that would be silly

Edit:
d-limo and derivatives are respiratory irritants
but
d-limo seems to have anti-carcinogenic properties!
yay

 

[EndlessEntity]

what i do is a combo of both
first i let it freeze precip for a while. i take out the bigguns
then afterwords i'll usually let it evap, or recrystalize then evap.

 

[aryaman]

Endless entity, you pull with DCM and then add Naphta and put to freeze precipitate? Does it work well?
How much Naphta per DCM do you use?

DCM BP: 176 °C
Naptha BP: ~160-220°C

You could just evaporate it off, however, I'm getting the feeling you don't have the chemistry set up.

The boiling point of DMT is somewhere near 400-500°C (Probably)

I'm fairly certain limonene isn't very toxic, nor is it explosive or volatile enough to do anything scary if you just put the fully extracted limonene solution in the oven and let it boil off over night of course if you let it go too long, and opened the door to an oven full of DMT vapor, then good bye reality ppahahahaha that would be silly

Edit:
d-limo and derivatives are respiratory irritants
but
d-limo seems to have anti-carcinogenic properties!
yay

Sorry, I have to correct you:

DCM BP: 40°C
DMT BP: 60 - 80 °C

No way that DCM has such an high boiling point, since it is extremely volatile.
If you put your limonene in oven over night you just burn everything, unless you already FASI it (but in that case you just would need to decant)

Anyway, I've solved out, doing a simple limonene extraction and salting out by vinegar, then using the goo acetate to enhance (since there's no loss from acetate to freebase, while from fumarate yes).
I check out how it works.

You could just evaporate it off, however, I'm getting the feeling you don't have the chemistry set up.

Don't really need a chemistry set up to make some DCM evaporate, just need to leave it in a air place for an hour =)
Still, would be silly, since it's so expensive and rare... one should want to distille it and save the solvent (thou you would need a long neck distiller, since the volatility is so high).

opened the door to an oven full of DMT vapor, then good bye reality ppahahahaha that would be silly

that's very LOL =D

 

[IJesusChrist]

Sorry, I did copy and paste those numbers from wikipedia I thought?

DMT BP cannot be 80°C, it needs a burning flame to evaporate. Are you thinking the Melting Point of DMT?

I am 100% sure DMT does not evap at 80°C.

 

[aryaman]

Yes, I'm maybe wrong. Just, is that Erowid and wiki have trapped me, but like is written on the Nexus, it's a controversial thing.
Surely the melting point is around 40-60 °C

I am 100% sure DMT does not evap at 80°C.

I think it does. When you evape it you use low temperatures... don't need to reach boiling point. Shulgin have distilled DMT at 68°C, or less. Surely it evaporates, at 80°, and much.


Still, I don't know the BP