The Hawaiian Baby Woodrose just didn't work

[Ton]

I'm a bit experienced with using LSA seeds. I've had some really beautiful trips on morning glory and hbw. My best LSA trip yet was on 3 hbw seeds.
A few weeks ago I decided to eat 5 (crushed) hbw seeds, together with two friends. (one of them took 3, as he isn't experienced with tripping, the other also took 5) This would be our largest amount of LSA ever and we were expecting a nice trip, but also some good old nausea. So I took 2 pills of cyclizine (90 minutes and 30 minutes before we ate the seeds) to limit the nausea a bit. The friend who also took 5 seeds took 1 pill 30 minutes before eating the seeds and the dude who took 3 seeds also took 1 pill immediately after eating the seeds.

In the beginning I was feeling pretty strange. Sometimes my vision blurred and I thought that I was experiencing the beginning of a pretty strong trip. But that was actually the only really trippy thing about the whole 'trip'. The rest of the night I felt a bit relaxed and nauseous. At a point my nausea got pretty strong and I had to vomit. This wasn't a bad thing at all, because it was like it puked the nausea away. So my friend who also took 5 seeds also emptied his stomach. He also didn't experience anything like a trip that night. So didn't the friend who took the 3 seeds, but he fell asleep pretty fast. (he always falls asleep when he is on something (weed/alcohol))

I just had some very subtle visuals (my friends had none at all) which was absolutely nothing compared to the time when I took 3 hbw seeds and had my most beautiful LSA trip ever. With that trip, it felt like the nausea was worth the trip. This was absolutely not the case with the 5 seeds.


Is it possible that the hbw seeds just were crappy quality or that cyclizine screwed the effects?

 

[Minigun_Fiend]

gv

 

[Ton]

I have no experience in this field, but if you still have some HBW seeds left over from the same batch, give them a go without the cyclizine - it seems like the obvious method.

If you don't have any left, next time you get some use some - but not all - with the cyclizine, and if they don't work that time then try the rest without.

That way you've tried every option and should know if its affecting it.

I've got 7 seeds left. But I probably wont do anything with them in a while, because of the last experience..

With reference to the sleeping, it says on the wikipedia link you gave us that cyclizine commonly causes drowziness.

Nah, when it's cosy and we've smoked or drinked something he always falls asleep

 

[petfles]

Last week i bought 25 HWBR seeds. Took 7 and felt nothing. Then put about 16, crushed, in some wine. Waited for a day, nothing... I sure had some strong trips before so it is all about the quality i suspect.

 

[petfles]

Last week i bought 25 HWBR seeds. Took 7 and felt nothing. Then put about 16, crushed, in some wine. Waited for a day, nothing... I sure had some strong trips before so it is all about the quality i suspect.

 

[forest]

dude be carefull with this, i took 5 one night and it was like hell, couldn't even stand up anymore because of the bodydiscomfort, i really thought i was going to get a heartattack, but because i couldn't stand up very well (to go to the hospital) i just prepared mentally for death. it is very interesting all the things you learn about yourself when you think you're going to die

 

[Ton]

Last week i bought 25 HWBR seeds. Took 7 and felt nothing. Then put about 16, crushed, in some wine. Waited for a day, nothing... I sure had some strong trips before so it is all about the quality i suspect.

There are different species of HBW. I also once bought a bag of 25 hbw. I ate all the seeds (as was suggest in the smartshop) and it gave only slight effects. Normally I buy from azarius, and those seeds are much more potent.

 

[strydyr]

I tried them for the first time a few nights ago. I got 55 on eBay for the price of a cheap lunch...

I only took 5, since it was my first time out, though I've had experience with a number of other psychadelics.

I scraped the "fur" off, the chewed them without swallowing. For about 20 minutes, I swished them around in my mouth. It wasn't particularly bitter; but, I got tired of trying not to swallow, and finally downed the mouthful.

Within an hour, I was feeling intensely tired. I didn't fight it... just went to bed.

I woke up (I think) about an hour later. I could see the ceiling swimming around, and my eyes felt like they were burning; but, I didn't bother to get up, and drifted off again.

I felt fine the next day, and had no bouts of nausea. (It's not that I have a cast-iron stomach... I think I've puked every time I've played with shrooms.)

When I woke though, I noticed an incredible amount of crust around my eyes. (Is this normal?)

Anyway, I do suspect there's a lot to be said about the quality/strain of HBW. Of course, I don't know of any way to tell what you've got without taking it.

I also agree with the earlier suggestion about skipping the anti-nausea pills... the more I read about natural substances, the more frightened I feel about interactions. Some of these things are dangerous with MAOI's, some are enhanced by MAOI's, and some actually are MAOI's. I tried DMX for the first time before I found out that something as simple as having Claritin a week before could trigger a devestating interaction.

For those of you who do HBW semi-regularly: what, if anything, do you do to counteract the tiredness? I'm planning to try again this weekend, and I'd rather not sleep through this experience.

 

[Armaros]

A few months back I had purchased some Hawaiian Baby Woodrose seeds off a reputable website which I had never had previous problems (www.iamshaman.com) but on 4 seperate occasions the seeds failed to produce effect. Each time I took at least 10 seeds (by the way these were grown in india) and i had zero psychoactive effect. Just some gas. I tried crushing the seeds up and letting them sit in water then drinking the water and the seed pulp. I tried crushing them up an putting them in yogurt and eating them. I tried simply breaking them into small pieces and swallowing them with water. Each time I had no effect. Anyone got any clues as to why?

 

[strydyr]

Each time I had no effect. Anyone got any clues as to why?

Bad batch, or wrong variety, I'd guess. I'm not sure there's really a "bad way" to take the seeds. I did a second try last weekend with 5 seeds, and had a pleasant, mellow experience (seeds from "721" on eBay).

I got some more seeds from EthnoBotanySource, and gave some to a friend. He ignored my advice to start small, and he ate 10. I know he's experienced with LSD and other psychadelics; but, he said he had the strongest trip of his life. (The comical part is that he hid in bed, playing sick, so his wife wouldn't know.) For a while, he actually thought he was going to need to go to the hospital.

 

[Armaros]

im gonna check out the ethno site. thanks for the info.

 

[DevXavier]

It's all about quality. Amount of alkaloids can differ quite a lot.

I know azarius sells high quality seeds which have never failed me.

Also, probably not needed to say, you will need to have vasted for about 6 hours prior to taking in the seeds or it won't work.

 

[Armaros]

ive just checked azarius and I would love to purchase multiple things from the site. It being overseas/ not accepting paypal would make it highly difficult for me to purchase anything though. ahh you people in Europe really got it loose with the drug laws. Most things on there I would not be able to purchase here. I believe I could find multiple loop holes within my own country's law tho :]

 

[strydyr]

Hmmm... same friend, same source (different shipment)...

Here's a quote from an email he sent me tonight:

"I took 17. Started with 1, which gave me leg pains with prior Hawaiian. Then 6 more. Than another 10. Feels like bunk."

 

[ophiuchus]

im not sure if this is applicable, but once when an friend and i tried moning glory seeds, we got them from a pikes nursery, they did little to nothing and apparently they will do nothing to you because they are chemical treated. also, i heard that the seeds have to be "mature"in order for you to trip, what constitutes mature, i am not sure. hope this helps

 

[Brewmaster]

Anything you buy from a nursery (aside from an organic one) is going to be coated with all sorts of nasty chemicals, none of which have any effect on the lsa content or its absorbtion into your body. They are applied to ensure germination and protect the seeds from insects.

Wash them thoroughly with soapy water or citric acid "Veggie Wash". When buying morning glories, look for strains labeled Heavenly Blues or Pearly Gates. When buying HBW, when given an option, buy Hawaiian not Indian. Yes, they originated in India, but the hawaiians are much more potent (generally speaking).