I recently thought about why war has such a glorifying meaning in humans. One must only watch any movie and see how easily people are fascinated by any kind of warfare. Why is that? I even sometimes catch myself, after watching such a movie, fantasizing about such stuff...being clearly conscious that there is no glory in war. This fascination is even reflected in recorded history - everyone knows Caesar, Hitler, Alexander the Great but tell me any great holder of peace that is known to everyone (OK, Gandhi but I guess you get the point). Let me hear your opinion.
The Glory of War
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A great holder of peace can only exist in a time when there is no war. When would that be?
We consider the people who end the war (i.e. win it) as the bringers of peace, although they usually fuck it up after a while.
We consider the people who end the war (i.e. win it) as the bringers of peace, although they usually fuck it up after a while.
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If you are at peace in times of war does that make you crazy? Or are you just 'enlightened'?
I think fighting is a part of human nature, everybody sometimes wants to fight. This is on a small scale, but when politics get involved, it starts to get on a much more greater scale. People will start to feel hatred for the "opposing" faction. War comes -> people die -> to make it look like they didn't die for nothing, people will gloryfie them and their actions + the politicions will do it aswell, so they have the country behind them and make them believe in false or real values. For example: the guys now fighting in Iraq, everybody sees that it's rediculous and they aren't doing shit over there, but the americans won't say a bad word about their boys, they will even glorify their acts.
That's how I think it starts, but now a days you love the fighting because it's all around in our media. We see films like 300, the deer hunter,... memories of fallen soldiers, hero's... And we think, if I fight I will become somebody, people will look up to me, I get all the girls, and if the worst thing that can happen happens (you die) you will be remembered as a hero for eternity (which is a pretty good deal if you ask me). So that is why average joe sings in the army and gets his head blown of after 5 seconds of combat.
That's how I think it starts, but now a days you love the fighting because it's all around in our media. We see films like 300, the deer hunter,... memories of fallen soldiers, hero's... And we think, if I fight I will become somebody, people will look up to me, I get all the girls, and if the worst thing that can happen happens (you die) you will be remembered as a hero for eternity (which is a pretty good deal if you ask me). So that is why average joe sings in the army and gets his head blown of after 5 seconds of combat.
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"War is delightful to those who have had no experience of it." - Desiderius Erasmus
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Indeed... the true glory of war is long gone ; it existed in the medieval times but thats a thing that only happens once.
Now glory is in balance, and in most our cases is to find again the balance of sensitive feminity in ourselves. When you see military man standing peacefully and "holding a vision" with sensitivity, that is glorious. I'd say most military men I met have this "inside their spinal cord" they "bear it" for all to see, and they are glorious. Presence and sensibility.
The police SWAT created havock and polluted an already tense situation... then the army came.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfEHDac5 ... re=related
The conflict resolved very shortly after, without anymore bloodshed. Some armyman even let themselves being beaten up to preserve peace ; can you see the distortion ?
Guess who financed the war between the blue and the red again ? The white of course... These mohawks didn't get their military rifles in the hunting shop...
It's so obvious it still hurts sometimes when I think about it. Not only they gave them rifles, but they gave em drugs too, lots of drugs.
Now glory is in balance, and in most our cases is to find again the balance of sensitive feminity in ourselves. When you see military man standing peacefully and "holding a vision" with sensitivity, that is glorious. I'd say most military men I met have this "inside their spinal cord" they "bear it" for all to see, and they are glorious. Presence and sensibility.
The police SWAT created havock and polluted an already tense situation... then the army came.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfEHDac5 ... re=related
The conflict resolved very shortly after, without anymore bloodshed. Some armyman even let themselves being beaten up to preserve peace ; can you see the distortion ?
Guess who financed the war between the blue and the red again ? The white of course... These mohawks didn't get their military rifles in the hunting shop...
It's so obvious it still hurts sometimes when I think about it. Not only they gave them rifles, but they gave em drugs too, lots of drugs.
I think war is glorified by those in power who need pawns to go out and do their dirty work for them. The masses are pretty easy to manipulate, it is easy to use propaganda to incite fear and hatred, and appeal to people's egos.. nothing has ever really changed in this regard.
I would say the whole glory of war thing was especially high up until the 20th century, with the rise of nationalism and when Europe and Britain were out conquering the world. Going out and conquering some natives somewhere or fighting another empire was just the thing to do to prove your manliness.
Probably around the time that tanks, airplanes etc started entering the stage, war lost its glory.. the Great War was just too brutal, so much life lost. World War II was basically fighting against the last of the expansionist dreams of a few nations (Japan and the Nazis). As terrible as what these nations did, it's important to remember that only a century or two earlier the French, the English and the Spanish were all doing exactly what they had been doing (expansion, invasion, genocide, etc).
I occasionally like playing war games like call of duty, etc.. makes me really think about what my grandparents went through, what it would have been like to have been there, and that I'm so happy it's just a game
I would say the whole glory of war thing was especially high up until the 20th century, with the rise of nationalism and when Europe and Britain were out conquering the world. Going out and conquering some natives somewhere or fighting another empire was just the thing to do to prove your manliness.
Probably around the time that tanks, airplanes etc started entering the stage, war lost its glory.. the Great War was just too brutal, so much life lost. World War II was basically fighting against the last of the expansionist dreams of a few nations (Japan and the Nazis). As terrible as what these nations did, it's important to remember that only a century or two earlier the French, the English and the Spanish were all doing exactly what they had been doing (expansion, invasion, genocide, etc).
I occasionally like playing war games like call of duty, etc.. makes me really think about what my grandparents went through, what it would have been like to have been there, and that I'm so happy it's just a game
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I hope you are not playing online... because I have changed the rules drastically. No online game will ever be only a game anymore until the insult against the first game Ultima Online has been rectified and apologised for.
Just tought you'd all like to know. Games in which you can make people loose their time are more dangerous in that aspect... first person perspective is the worse too. It will affect our dreams and thus, manifestations.
Just tought you'd all like to know. Games in which you can make people loose their time are more dangerous in that aspect... first person perspective is the worse too. It will affect our dreams and thus, manifestations.
ok scratch what i said. the glory of war is definitely back in fashion these days, just under a different guise.
sadly, i think we would need another terrible, brutal, epic war to wake up our generation. and a few decades later people would soon forget anyways.
sadly, i think we would need another terrible, brutal, epic war to wake up our generation. and a few decades later people would soon forget anyways.
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That would only weaken us even more... NA would become the fool.
Think about it ; who in the US administration profited the most from war, do you think they are real founding fathers ?
I wouldn't think so... what about the nazi war criminals that all fled in the us and changed their names... what about...
what about...
there is too much mystery I think to know for sure what we need... we need to grow hemp !
If the world turned to hemp, we would save everything.
Think about it ; who in the US administration profited the most from war, do you think they are real founding fathers ?
I wouldn't think so... what about the nazi war criminals that all fled in the us and changed their names... what about...
what about...
there is too much mystery I think to know for sure what we need... we need to grow hemp !
If the world turned to hemp, we would save everything.
seriously, i know, i wouldn't want that. someone always profits off of other's suffering. but people in general on our continent have become so removed from war, basically comfy couch potatoes judging horrific events on the other side of the planet. other than the odd son or daughter not returning home, we are pretty safe to sit here and make profit off of war. ugh
growing hemp isn't a bad start. either way, we've a long ways to go as a species
growing hemp isn't a bad start. either way, we've a long ways to go as a species
I used to think growing hemp/pot/cannabis was a fanciful idea, and didn't take it seriously....
I really think it would help this planet a lot. Anything that modern, industrialized society hates that much must have something going for it.
It really is one of the answers.
(Let's smoke one for Jack Herer!!!)
I really think it would help this planet a lot. Anything that modern, industrialized society hates that much must have something going for it.
It really is one of the answers.
(Let's smoke one for Jack Herer!!!)
