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[Ahuaeynjxs]

Yeah of course I guess there can be many plateaus... like a good LSD ride.

I'm a little exasperated... but you're right.

 

[GOD]

I was given permission , at least by someone who apears to have the authority / jurisdiction to do so , from what he says , if not i`m sorry but this is all very cryptic and........ ocult.......to me , its probably something to do with my IQ , to reply .

I dont want to stop the party but .

Dinosaurs died out not just because of a comet , but because they were thick and couldnt adapt . Its also said that one could shoot them in the head and kill them and that their arses wouldnt notice that the head was dead for a ages.

Remember tango ? the dance doesnt stop untill the band stops playing.

I wasnt threatening anyone , i`m not playing games . I tried to help clear the Drugless thing up because i trully care about the site going down the drain . If what i said was wrong i would be eternaly gratefull if someone would be loveing and compasionate enough to provide details as i dont want my mate , the soliciter , to get in , or cause any trouble .

Thanks for the complement aya-wotsit , i`d love to have a smoke with you but i stoped smoking . I dont take any "ilegal" drugs at all .

That was my last post on the subject . I`m not into necrophilia .

Please have fun playing with yourselves .

Love GOD

 

[Ahuaeynjxs]

I meant I was exasperated at myself for speding the better part of my days, and being recalled to the fact that there might be a long, long trip ahead of us.

I'll go and move a little, that should help

Thats funny about dinausaurs, if I see one running at me I'll know I still have to get out of the way even if I sport a bulleye one-shot one kill.

See how your wisdom can be both humorous and useful, thats the god I'd like to know !

I think Doug was invited back to shat about it... what do you mean more details ? I'm not sure I seize the question...

 

[Brugmansia]

No I did not have any agenda... this is totally unknown to me, I usually get banned or ignored from the moment I say somehting like Datura can have medicinal uses.

Solanaceae's, Amanita and dissociatives (Ketamine, DXM, PCP) have the ability to produce what I call 'fake dreams'. The effects are experienced more realistic than with entheogens, yet very deceptive.

I had this with Ketamine in the past, and it didn't took too long before I got a complex out of it. Coming out of the K-hole, with the assumption that I landed here in reality, of which I thought was just one of the many realms.

Seeing that people just did what they did in this realm, gave me the feeling of being sent to here. Like the Lord gave me a message to pas it on on behalf of the superior power of all realms of where I thought I was part of. And thinking you're owning the place in where people live there life at sober levels.

Thanks to some rational texts about dissociatives on the internet, and entheogens, that I never presented anything in the actual life which had almost convinced me completely to do so.

Nightshades, Amanita and dissociatives might be an addition to the life of a psychonaut, but they should never replace entheogens and frequent use can result into complexes which are experienced as minor problems for the user.

But the environment gets to do deal with a lot crisis which is not caused by violence or being anti-social, but purely by one person with different faces that are projecting in all rest and serenity. Gained out of states of awareness in where you're detached into pieces and identities. Often without too much of one's notice.

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[Caduceus Mercurius]

Here's a section from The Different Drum, pages 90-95 (this time no copy & paste):

CHAOS

The chaos always centers around well-intentioned but misguided attempts to heal and convert. By and large, people resist change. So the healers and converters try harder to heal or convert, until finally their victims get their backs up and start trying to heal the healers and convert the converters. It is indeed chaos.

Chaos is not just a state, it is an essential part of the process of community development. Consequently, unlike pseudocommunity, it does not simply go away as soon as the group becomes aware of it.

In the stage of chaos individual differences are, unlike those in pseudocommunity, right out in the open. Only now, instead of trying to hide or ignore them, the group is attempting to obliterate them. Underlying the attempts to heal and convert is not so much the motive of love as the motive to make everyone normal - and the motive to win, as the members fight over whose norm might prevail.

The stage of chaos is a time of fighting and struggle. Frequently, fully developed communities will be required to fight and struggle. Only they have learned to do so effectively. The struggle during chaos is chaotic. It is not merely noisy, it is uncreative, unconstructive. The disagreement that arises from time to time in a genuine community is loving and respectful and usually remarkably quiet - even peaceful - as the members work hard to listen to each other. Still, upon occasion in a fully mature community the discussion might become heated. Yet even then is is vivacious, and one has a feeling of excitement over the consensus that will be hammered out. Not so in chaos. If anything, chaos, like pseudocommunity, is boring, as the members continually swat at eachother to little or no effect. It has no grace or rhythm. Indeed, the predominant feeling an observer is likely to have in response to a group in the chaotic stage of development is despair. The struggle is going nowhere, accomplishing nothing. It is no fun.

Since chaos is unpleasant, it is common for the members of a group in this stage to attack not only each other but also their leader. "We wouldn't be quabbling like this if we had effective leadership," they will say. "We deserve more direction than you've been giving us, Scotty." In some sense they are quite correct; their chaos is a natural response to a relative lack of direction. The chaos could easily be circumvented by an authoritarian leader - a dictator - who assigned them specific tasks and goals. The only problem is that a group led by a dictator is not, and never can be, a community. Community and totalitarianism are incompatible.

In response to this perceived vacuum of leadership during the chaotic stage of community development, it is common for one or more members of the group to attempt to replace the designated leader. He or she will say: "Look, this is getting us nowhere. Why don't we break into small groups of six or eight, and then we can get somewhere?" Or "Why don't we form a subcommittee to develop a definition of community? Then we will know where we're going."

The problem of the emergence of such "secondary leaders" is not their emergence but their proposed solutions. What they are proposing, one way or another, is virtually always an "escape into organization." It is true that organizing is a solution to chaos. Indeed, that is the primary reason for organization: to minimize chaos. The trouble is, however, that organization and community are also incompatable.

The proper resolution of chaos is not easy. Because it is both unproductive and unpleasant, it may seem that the group has degenerated from pseudocommunity into chaos. But chaos is not necessarily the worst place for a group to be.

EMPTINESS

"There are only two ways out of chaos," I will explain to a group after it has spent a sufficient period of time squabbling and getting nowhere. "One is into organization - but organization is never community. The only other way is into and through emptiness."

More often than not the group will simply ignore me and go on squabbling. Then after another while I will say, "I suggested to you that the only way from chaos to community is into and through emptiness. But apparently you were not terribly interested in my suggestion." More squabbling, but finally a member will ask with a note of annoyance, "Well, what is this emptiness stuff anyway?"

It is no accident that groups are not generally eager to pick up on my suggestion of emptiness. The fact that "emptiness" is a mystical word and concept is not the deterrent. People are smart, and often in the dimmer recesses of their consciousness they know more than they want to know. As soon as I mention "emptiness," they have the presentiment of what is to come. And they are in no hurry to accept it.

Emptiness is the hard part. It is also the most crucial stage of community development. It is the bridge between chaos and community.

When the members of a group finally ask me to explain what I mean by emptiness, I tell them simply that they need to empty themselves of barriers to communication. And I am able to use their behavior during chaos to point out to them specific things - feelings, assumptions, ideas, and motives - that have so filled their minds as to make them impervious as billiard balls. The process of emptying themselves of these barriers is the key to the transition from "rugged" to "soft" individualism.

 

[Guest]

It was an intelligent and challenging game.

He already mentioned couple of times it wasn't it a game to him, and neither has it been to me.

Oh well since he mentioned it...
But seriuosly, this has been a great opportunity for you to get rid of some members who did not agree on your personal interrests and views on the nature of this boards. Aya's been saturateing almost every fresh tread with this weird/creepy wibe since he got here, and frustrations has been building with part of the members(I say a large part)
These are the same bulk of members that you say meet every esoteric topic with ridicule. So maybe you felt that letting thing get so way out of hand over here would solve some problems for you. It looks like Douglas left, and GOD seemed to be leaving some days back.
Right afterwards you wrote about how you and aya were connected and how you knew early on that he was a jolly good fellow...

I had this really good impression of you since I started reading here last summer and when I read the questiones on page one of this tread they looked very strange in the way they were worded. I thought you had a bad day and wrote them in the wrong mindset, but as I start to get a a different picture of you, it seems those questiones can only have been written to make you look like a victim and GOD as a bully.
I get a feeling you are trying to weed out a certain kind of, in your oppinion, difficult members and change this forum.

By letting things go as far as they did you failed as an administrator, and even if I'd hate to see you leave this site all together, there is no doubt you are not the right man for this task today. You let your personal interrests go before the interrestes of the members here.

 

[InnerMysteries]

Hi Everyone and Namaste'

Thanks Ivar for "The Different Drum" article you posted on the previous page...

"CHAOS / EMPTINESS"

It's clear--obvious that it Does take Some Time for certain individuals to take control of their thoughts and let the silence in... like maybe doing some meditation and then coming back to the board...

and from the emptiness we become transformed; a little wiser, a lot more calm.

Peace

 

[spice]

silence: the abscence of noise

noise: unwanted sound

Who determines what is 'noise'?

The administrator, apparently...... :x



From the 'Forum [email protected]'

'Don't make posts that are inflammatory just to annoy people.'

aya broke this rule multiple times, and, frankly, CM, you were quick to pull the rules out on others, but seemed strangely reticent to apply the same rulebook to your compatriot.

Why?

 

[Ahuaeynjxs]

Bru : It seems obvious you have not experienced Solanaceas and Amanita delirium if you put them in the same bag as Ketamine.

I can well understand you perspective about that synthetic, but you make a strange distinction between entheogens and Amanita - Datura (both can be very dangerous for the neophyte psychonaut, but are hardly irelevant or fake and never dissociative) ; to me they are entheogens, but start a topic if you want I'll look it up.

CM ; that was exactly what I had in mind by reading the resume, wonderful text, thank you.

Xboy : You obviously haven't read the thread or read the posts... more squabbling

Yea.... *silence*

*listens to the sweet hum of his computer fan*

 

[Ahuaeynjxs]

Oh well that didn't work...

I did not post anything just to annoy people, if I did can you point me where clearly that wasn't in reply to a blatant insult that we also tolerated ?

 

[spice]

I surely *could*, but I am not going to.


You know that it's true, but you will have a way to defend it.....


What you and CM are missing, is that these opinions are quite consensual, and that if he wasn't an administrator, you wouldn't have gotten things nearly to this point.

 

[GOD]

Something to listen to while i`m wondering where his Druglessness is if he has been unbanished ??????

 

[Ahuaeynjxs]

I would think so , since CM adressed him directly , and it was a IP ban...

 

[GOD]

"it was a IP ban."

I wouldnt know , but i believe it if you say it . We all know you have the ability and special mental powers .

 

[Ahuaeynjxs]

hahaha, dude, don't make me die of laughter...

You have an unfair advantage here

CM said his account was frozen and IP banned... or did I hallucinate that too ? I didn't do it rofl !

 

[GOD]

C`mon all you fucks.... Oops ! i ment folks , sorry another software error , maybe i need cheta to help me , tell him some jokes ....QUICK........

 

[InnerMysteries]

Ahuaeynjxs,

Namaste'

It's becoming so obvious that GOD is not interested in finding peace here. He's a moderator and didn't read what we all did -- that Doug asked to be removed and began editing his posts replacing them with these :

CM told him that until the situation was resolved with you, so all administrators could look at the posts, that CM would need to freeze his account so he couldn't continue to remove his previous posts, and that he banned his IP and that was so he couldn't log in and create a new account from his computer, in an effort to make more havok.

Spice:
Namaste' and no offense man.

There are many people who have joined in and there are tons of other people who are watching what has been unfolding on this site... People from around the world who would rather take time to watch and listen rather than get caught up in some 'argument' - this should be discussion, not argument style.

My point is, that your pointing out that CM and Ahuaeynjxs are somehow being conspiratorial and not backed up by others is not true. Many of us, my self included, support "not banning" anyone who is abiding in general, by the rules here.

We all have experiences. We all have knowledge. Some in one area, some in other areas. I'm doing my best to get to the Amazon this year for an Ayahuasca ceremony. Do you think I'm going to sit in front of a Shaman and question his abilities ? Or his motives ? He will be part of me and at the same time, will be someone experienced in ways I have no experience with.

You are articulate - you use words well. Please try to appreciate that CM is trying his best to stand strong and do what he feels will benefit everyone. He is not a selfish person.

You know what bothers me more than any of this ?

Seeing a signature (from someone who claims not to smoke pot or do "illegal" drugs) that says, "When in doubt, double the dose"

Do you know what kind of signal that sends to unsuspecting inexperienced people ? God, sorry man. I'm sure a LOT of people are turned off by what you have written about others, rather than contacting them personally, since you represent this site.

And all of this is being watched from everywhere.

Wouldn't you all like to get off of the adrenalin rush ?

Ahuaeynjxs, maybe it's time to leave this thread, give this all a break (especially for CM), since when the administrators meet on Tuesday, they will have enough information already to decide what's been wrong here.

Noise = bad vibrations. I have not seen that from CM.

Peace

 

[spice]

Ok, points taken.

I think everyone has had their say. I don't want to be needlessly argumentative.

I do not hold any hard feelings toward anyone.....we all have rough edges, and this is a big forum, so.......


I will let go of my arguments, there's no point in clinging.


CM, you do a good job here, overall....I don't envy any moderators or administrators, in that you are in difficult situations regularly.

Live and let live.....so be it.

 

[Ahuaeynjxs]

Thanks... I will consider your advice, but at the same time god posted his rather obscure comment... I was receiving a private message.

I clicked on it and my screen flashed blue, then the message vanished in front of my eyes.

I still have the e-mail that confirms I did indeed receive a message, it even had an original title, but now it's gone.

Who can do such a thing as erase messages in my own box ? I think this has become not funny anymore.

And now the person who sent it to me is completely silent.

Whats going on ?

 

[GOD]

Hey mate , i think your getting confused . The war is over and we are just having a laugh now .

Nobody wants to ban anyone . And where have you been ? The quote is from BIG "T" , you know ? , the hero of tha AMAZON , OUR HERO . Was he a dangerous person ?

I dont take any "Illegal" "drugs" but i used to and i always liked taking double doses ..... at least .

It seems to me that some people think that just because i was sarcastic , ironic , sardonic once or twice that everything i say is . It isnt . And please dont tell me that i cant stop , life isnt a monolog and i`m sure most of the people out there know that . Aya-wotsit knows that and he and me are getting on OK . As far as i can see so are Caduceus and me to . So there is no problem Or ?

Lets bury the hatchet , and not in my back please . I shall start by setting an example and shutting up . I think , personaly , it would be realy cool for us all and the site if all of us did in my opinion .

Love GOD