Syrian rue ingestion

[Bastiaan]

Whats your favourite method of preparing and ingesting this?
It's so disgusting.. I found the taste way more horrible then that of the mimosa extract even though I could somehow keep it in much easier.
Is there a good way of ingesting P. Harmala seeds that works well that isn't absolutely disgusting?
Perhaps powder it and then put the powder in a capsule/capsules?
Or will I just have to learn to live with this? :?

 

[Forkbender]

I only tried it once. I powdered it and put it in hot water for 15 minutes. Then drank it (I think including the powder). I didn't find it that disgusting, but can imagine you disagree.

 

[Bastiaan]

Well at least you can imagine

 

[HeartCore]

removed the troll food

 

[Bastiaan]

The perfect answer 8)
Thanks!

 

[endlessness]

do not eat capsule of pure seeds!!

even though some people recommend it, thats not a safe way..

you want to get rid of the quizanoline compounds.. They are not (or little) soluble in acidified water, while the b-carbolines, which are the chemicals you want, are very soluble in acidified water..

so just boiling the broken/grinded seeds for a few minutes in water with lemon juice, then filtering and saving the liquid, and repeating process with the solid material 2 more times..

then throw out material, keep just liquid, reduce it to smaller amount, put honey on it (to diminish astringency, makes it taste better), let it cool and drink

 

[GOD]

"you want to get rid of the quizanoline compounds"

Where can i read about that please ?

One could also put womens underclothes on and dance through the streets yodeling while swallowing the seeds with a drink of water .

When i took them to activate DMT i just gobbed about 10 gramms of them 20 minutes before the DMT . I also had nothing against chewing them exept that i got loads of bits between my teath .

 

[GOD]

Google has no entrys for "quizanoline" .

There is a list of the chemical contents of P.Harmala here :-

http://sun.ars-grin.gov:8080/npgspub/xs ... ?taxon=706

I dont see any reason for risking heartburn by doing lemon juice extraction either the stuff is all water soluable and your stomach juices are about PH 4 anyway .

But i`d be very interested to hear about any toxic or in anyway nasty chemicals that it might contain if you can explain more or give me any references please ???

 

[Bastiaan]

All right tahnks endless I think I'll probably try your method next time.
Though I just love crystals don't know why.. silly me
1 more q for HeartCore: Are these reddish crysts pure harmaline?

 

[GOD]

"Are these reddish crysts pure harmaline?"

No . And mine were rusty colour .

 

[Elfinn]

I have made potent harmala brew

by adding just a tiny drop of orange juice in the water
and then cooking carefully for 3 x 10 minutes.
with a little rest on each cooking
also blowing tobacco down into the brew while cooking
helps to quicken and please the spirits of harmala
like it is performed by shamans of the jungle.

tobacco contains harmala alkaloids
so that while inebriated on peganum
cigarettes taste no good
and i get dizzy spells
so i just sit back and enjoy. leave cigarette
and just breathe in the peace of SOma.

 

[Forkbender]

tobacco contains harmala alkaloids

source?

 

[GOD]

P.Harmala doesnt give trips and its not soma . In some parts of the world its known as hoama .

 

[endlessness]

"you want to get rid of the quizanoline compounds"

Where can i read about that please ?

One could also put womens underclothes on and dance through the streets yodeling while swallowing the seeds with a drink of water .

When i took them to activate DMT i just gobbed about 10 gramms of them 20 minutes before the DMT . I also had nothing against chewing them exept that i got loads of bits between my teath .

hey sorry, I wrote it wrong

its quinazoline (in the case of syrian rue its vasicine and vasicinone)

here´s a link, from ott:

http://www.maps.org/news-letters/v06n3/06332ott.html

to save you the trouble here´s the specific quote:

apart from containing high amounts of B-carboline alkaloids, Syrian rue seeds also contain significant levels of the uterotonic quinazoline alkaloids vasicine (peganine) and vasicinone, accounting for ethnomedicinal use of these seeds as an abortifacient.(5,17,22) Since these alkaloids are much less soluble in water than are the B-carbolines, once again making an aqueous infusion will effect a separation, leaving the bulk of the quinazoline alkaloids behind in the seed residue, amounting to lower toxicity, especially significant for women, particularly if they are pregnant.

 

[GOD]

Thanks .

Bastiaan , Are you sure that you have P.Harmala ? I`ve just chewed a mouth full and i dont taste anything nasty . I dont taste much at all . It tastes a bit dry to me , something like raw broadbeans . The Chacruna part has , for me , a much stronger taste wich most people say tastes bad . I like it though .

 

[Bastiaan]

I'm quite sure, used it succesfully in ayahuasca and got it from azarius..
But tastes differ I suppose :S to me it tastes awfull.. kinda like puke but I boiled it for some time

 

[GOD]

OK i understand that , boiled it does taste a bit shity . Why dont you try eating the seeds whole . Either chewing them or just swallowing them . I liked taking about 10 grams and sometimes making a mixed brew and sometimes just swallowing them and both worked fine for me .

 

[Elfinn]

P.harmala does give trip

not like mushrooms
but if you know how to journey out of body
then p.harmala will support and enhance the experience.

I had a vision of God sitting in the sky
once inebriated on the seed brew.
it is very good.

 

[GOD]

Are you sure it was the P.Harmala ? What dose did you take ?

 

[Elfinn]

God is sure on the right.

P.harmala it was,along with a bong of good weed,for the occasion.
So iguess the two plants have worked together somewhat in
the celestial vision i recieved or experienced.
But again,i find harmala to calm my nerves before Dmushtea.
I often experience bodily quivering
before taking shroooms
but when i include peganum in my rites
i become settled down and sure of my purpose
in the ceremony.

Again i make sure to extract the ground up seeds
by slowly cooking them in a little water 3x10 minutes
with a drop of orange juice.
resting the brew inbetween the cooking
and blowing tobacco smoke down into it
several times.
(voo-doo enhancement of the spirit plant)