Some philosofie about ayahuasca, preparing etc

[Christiaan26]

Hello, i'm Christian, 26 years and from Holland. I would like to share some philosofie/statements and experiences about ayahuasca.
I always thought that ayahuasca could only be used under the supervision of a shaman(s). I found out that that (for me) is not true. There are several retreats in Holland, wich i won't mention.
When there, i was given (cheap shitty made) Syrian Rue (peganum hamala) and Jurema (Mimosa Hostilis), I was told that there would be no difference between anahuasca, and the original ayahuasca... only for "finetasters"// if i give the right word for that, i dunno, i'm from Holland. I found out, after research that this is not correct. And as result i tried Caapi, with cabrerana afterwords. The difference for me was huge. It gave me a much much more spiritual experience wich i'll discribe later.
My expectation was that within a setting with more people, and (fake) shamans, would be better> They said that if i would use it one my one, there would be a chance for a "bad" trip.
In reflect, i payd 275 euro's, and walked away the next day dissapointly. Why? Expensive, cheap shitty made brew, fake ''shamans'', and among people who i did not knew, (in tripping world that could be of importance i am off the opinion) > making all kinds of weird sounds aranoid:, and bad music. When i used the caapi and with cabrerana on my one, at home, prepared well (i guess) i had the most religious experience of my life! Not that i believe in religion, but anyway, it give me so much. All the answers i needed. All of the stuff i was troubled with, vanished. Very constructive experience i had... i got lifted from my matras, and was in awe of seeing a special formed light for at least 3 minutes. (death experience?) (and the insights i had.... after that! Mie God. Very thankfull for that indeed 8)) Saw very intellectual beings afterwards as well. I could hear the plant speaking through me, it seamed to be a male voice) I am really motivated to continue with this usage of aya. :nod::nod: What are your opinions about above findings? What are the lessons aya tought you? How do you intergrate these visions? Thanx for reading!

 

[sunset]

thanks for sharing! i had wondered weather a different moa inhibitor ( ayauasca vine compared to syrian rue) would make that much of a difference... deep down i knew it would, but sincei have yet to try either i figured it best to try the "weaker" or less spiritual one, and hence bought some syrian rue and acacia confusa... i had intended on also trying a brew with syrian and phalaris grass for the demetri, but im not sure how that would be... where i live phalaris aquatica is widespread and evasive so im optimistic about finding ways to use it. i also dont want to wait untell im old enough and have enough money to pay for a trip to the amazon to try it with shamans, and like you i feel on my own could be more spiritual... I'm also alot younger but i feel i am need of a guiding experience to help me figure out my life, thanks for the advice, il have to give the classic vine a try

 

[sunset]

also iv heard people describe the white light as "god" or the light people see in near death experiences

 

[Ninaatje]

Hoi Christiaan,

Interessante post Ik had afgelopen zaterdag hetzelfde in de planning, zelf thuis ayahuasca thee te maken maar was niet helemaal gelukt hoewel ik later wel wat inzichten kreeg en me bijzonder goed voelde. Maar had gehoopt op een zelfde soort ervaring als jij had. Zou je wat meer kunnen vertellen over hoe je het hebt bereid en eventueel tips kunnen geven? Wat jij ervaren hebt lijkt me echt super tof! Alvast bedankt )