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A man this goes on and on. And nobody agrees with the guy/girl. It's like a broken record.
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FluidDruid
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We're in for some deep shit fellow americans. Bush just brought home a whole lot of soldiers from active combat units in Iraq home. They arrived Oct. 1, and they are here to enforce police, and deal with civil unrest and the like. The bailout bill is bailing out foreign investors in china, uk, australia and others. 60-80 percent of the 700 billion dollars. We are enslaving ourselves to other nations and allowing the Bush administration to setup for Martial Law. I have a sneaky feeling there won't be any election. The "Terrorists" will end up striking just before the election, and Bush will take over as ensurer of the constitution, which by the way he can do.. Effectively making him the dictator. I am seriously thinking of getting out of here soon. Where should I emigrate to!? I've done my part in this country, the people are letting all of this happen, god damned sheeple. I've been involved in the fight against the Drug war, the Iraq war, and all kinds of protesting activites. I've been on fox national fucking news for Ron Paul for christ sakes, and Im a part of NORML, ACLU, and all kinds of left wing organizations. I stay here, I am toast. I don't even feel safe saying these things on the internet anymore. :x :x :x
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Oh and Ellis, in a couple months or so.. you'll be fully aware of what I am speaking of, whether it reaches the mainstream media or not.
Fluid Druid-
8 years ago, just before 911, I went to British Columbia, on an ill-conceived 'business venture'....I swore to myself that if the time ever came that I HAD to leave Amerikkka, BC was where I would go....yes, Canada is partners, ostensibly, with the US law enforcement agencies.....yes they have tightened a lot of their legislation regarding drugs...*BUT*
I have never met so many hippies in my life, people who wanted to live simply, without this giant capitalist culture breathing down their necks......there are many, many thousands of square miles of WILD country there, and all the people I met are STRONGLY opposed to it becoming a juinor version of America.
....the border is fucking porous as hell, STILL.....which is another reason I don't believe all the rhetoric about the terrorist 'threats' we are supposed to live in fear of...the big, evil, muslims, looking for a way to strike....BULLSHIT.
If they wanted in, that 3000+ mile open border would be the way to get in.
Hello?
Most of the terrorists are holding political office in this country.
BC is as close to free as I have heard of or seen....it will take a long time before their idyllic life in the wild is disturbed by the things that are going to soon fuck it all up here...
....and as far as what you said to ellis;
'Damn right he will'
8 years ago, just before 911, I went to British Columbia, on an ill-conceived 'business venture'....I swore to myself that if the time ever came that I HAD to leave Amerikkka, BC was where I would go....yes, Canada is partners, ostensibly, with the US law enforcement agencies.....yes they have tightened a lot of their legislation regarding drugs...*BUT*
I have never met so many hippies in my life, people who wanted to live simply, without this giant capitalist culture breathing down their necks......there are many, many thousands of square miles of WILD country there, and all the people I met are STRONGLY opposed to it becoming a juinor version of America.
....the border is fucking porous as hell, STILL.....which is another reason I don't believe all the rhetoric about the terrorist 'threats' we are supposed to live in fear of...the big, evil, muslims, looking for a way to strike....BULLSHIT.
If they wanted in, that 3000+ mile open border would be the way to get in.
Hello?
Most of the terrorists are holding political office in this country.
BC is as close to free as I have heard of or seen....it will take a long time before their idyllic life in the wild is disturbed by the things that are going to soon fuck it all up here...
....and as far as what you said to ellis;
'Damn right he will'
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FluidDruid a dit:
i certainly hope not. come to Scotland
So there was this woman and she was, uh, on an airplane and she's flying to meet her fiancé
sailing high above the--the largest ocean on planet earth and she was seated next to this man who, you know she had tried to start conversations
an really--really the only thing she heard him say was to order his bloody mary
and she's sitting there and she's reading this really arduous magazine article about a third world country that she couldn't even pronounce the--the name of and she's feeling very bored and very despondent
and--and then, uh, suddenly there's this huge mechanical failure and one of the--the engines gave out and they started just falling -an- thirty thousand feet
and the pilot's on the microphone and he's saying, "I'm sorry, I'm sorry, Oh My God, I'm Sorry"
and apologizing and she looks at the man and she--and she says, "Where are we going?" and he looks at her and he says,
"We're going to a party, it--it's a birthday party. It's your birthday party, happy birthday darling.
We love you very, very, very, very, very, very, very much." And then, uh, he starts humming this little tune and--and, uh, it kind of goes like this, it's kinda:
One, Two, One, Two, Three, Four
We must talk in every telephone, get eaten off the web
We must rip out all the epilogues from the books we have read
And to the face of every criminal strapped firmly to a chair
We must stare, we must stare, we must stare.
We must take all of the medicines too expensive now to sell
Set fire to the preacher who is promising us hell
And in the ear of every anarchist that sleeps but doesn't dream
We must sing, we must sing, we must sing.
And it'll go like this, alright
While my mother waters plants my father loads his gun.
He says, "Death will give us back to God,
just like the setting sun
is returned to the lonesome ocean."
And then they splashed into the deep blue sea.
(Oh,)It was a wonderful splash.
We must blend into the choir, sing as static with the whole,
We must memorize nine numbers and deny we have a soul,
And to this endless race for property and privilege to be won
We must run, we must run, we must run.
We must hang up in the belfry where the bats in moonlight laugh
We must stare into a crystal ball and only see the past
And (in)to the caverns of tomorrow with just our flashlights and our love
We must plunge, we must plunge, we must plunge.
And then we'll get down there,
way down to the very bottom of everything
and then we'll see it, oh we'll see it, we'll see it, we'll see it.
Oh my morning's coming back
The whole world's waking up
Oh the city bus is swimming past.
I'm happy just because
I found out I am really no one.
sailing high above the--the largest ocean on planet earth and she was seated next to this man who, you know she had tried to start conversations
an really--really the only thing she heard him say was to order his bloody mary
and she's sitting there and she's reading this really arduous magazine article about a third world country that she couldn't even pronounce the--the name of and she's feeling very bored and very despondent
and--and then, uh, suddenly there's this huge mechanical failure and one of the--the engines gave out and they started just falling -an- thirty thousand feet
and the pilot's on the microphone and he's saying, "I'm sorry, I'm sorry, Oh My God, I'm Sorry"
and apologizing and she looks at the man and she--and she says, "Where are we going?" and he looks at her and he says,
"We're going to a party, it--it's a birthday party. It's your birthday party, happy birthday darling.
We love you very, very, very, very, very, very, very much." And then, uh, he starts humming this little tune and--and, uh, it kind of goes like this, it's kinda:
One, Two, One, Two, Three, Four
We must talk in every telephone, get eaten off the web
We must rip out all the epilogues from the books we have read
And to the face of every criminal strapped firmly to a chair
We must stare, we must stare, we must stare.
We must take all of the medicines too expensive now to sell
Set fire to the preacher who is promising us hell
And in the ear of every anarchist that sleeps but doesn't dream
We must sing, we must sing, we must sing.
And it'll go like this, alright
While my mother waters plants my father loads his gun.
He says, "Death will give us back to God,
just like the setting sun
is returned to the lonesome ocean."
And then they splashed into the deep blue sea.
(Oh,)It was a wonderful splash.
We must blend into the choir, sing as static with the whole,
We must memorize nine numbers and deny we have a soul,
And to this endless race for property and privilege to be won
We must run, we must run, we must run.
We must hang up in the belfry where the bats in moonlight laugh
We must stare into a crystal ball and only see the past
And (in)to the caverns of tomorrow with just our flashlights and our love
We must plunge, we must plunge, we must plunge.
And then we'll get down there,
way down to the very bottom of everything
and then we'll see it, oh we'll see it, we'll see it, we'll see it.
Oh my morning's coming back
The whole world's waking up
Oh the city bus is swimming past.
I'm happy just because
I found out I am really no one.
FluidDruid
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the national guard headquarters is just behind my backyard :x :x
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FluidDruid a dit:
Wow. A thinker. That's weird. I agree with everything you said, except I'm not fond of the ACLU. What part of Irvine do you live?
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And you guys just can't get past that 'dominion' thing. I meant you clear the land, plant food, build a house, (to protect you and yours from a possible hurricane--bricks) etc. You can't over-harvest or you won't have anything soon. Sustainable. Planned. With compassion. Remember the pet analogy? Anyway.......thank you for being so tolerant of differing opinion and diversity of thought. Be strong, and gentleness should be one of your strengths.
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EllisDee a dit:
I live in Detroit, a stones throw away from canada.
You can make claims to the contrary till you're blue in the face, ellis, but statements like that reveal who you are more than 5 pages of argument.
( You're a conservative Republican who admits to liking drugs )
Frequently the ACLU is the last line of defense in the conservatives never-ending battle to gradually erode many of our most precious constitutional rights, such as the right to be free from 'unreasonable search and seizure', and the right of 'freedom of religion', and 'freedom of speech'.
Some of the more notable ACLU victories in the 20th century;
(1939) Hague v. CIO An important First Amendment case in which the Court
recognized a broad freedom to assemble in public forums, such as
"streets and parks," by invalidating the repressive actions of Jersey
City's anti-union Mayor, "Boss" Hague.
(1941) Edwards v. California In this major victory for poor people's right
to travel from one state to another, the Court struck down an "anti-
Okie" law that made it a crime to transport indigents into California.
(1943) West Virginia v. Barnette A groundbreaking decision, made more
resonant by its issuance in wartime. The Court championed religious
liberty with its holding that a state could not force Jehovah's Witness
children to salute the American flag.
(1946) Hannegan v. Esquire A major blow against censorship. The Court
severely limited the Postmaster General's power to withhold mailing
privileges for allegedly "offensive" material
(1949) Terminiello v. Chicago Protection for offensive speech expanded
with the Court's exoneration of an ex-priest convicted of disorderly
conduct for giving a racist, anti-semitic speech that "invited dispute."
Justice William O. Douglas, for the Court, noted that "the function of
free speech under our system of government is to invite dispute."
(1952) Rochin v. California Reversing the conviction of a man whose
stomach had been forcibly pumped for drugs by a doctor at the behest of
police, the Court ruled that the Due Process Clause outlaws "conduct
that shocks the conscience."
(1958) Trop v. Dulles An American stripped of his citizenship for being a
deserter in World War II suffered cruel and unusual punishment, said the
Court, in violation of the Eighth Amendment.
(1961) Mapp v. Ohio A landmark, in which the Court ruled that the Fourth
Amendment's Exclusionary Rule, first applied to federal law enforcement
officers in 1914, applied to state and local police as well.
(1962) Engel v. Vitale In an 8-1 decision, the Court struck down the New
York State Regent's "nondenominational" school prayer, holding that "It
is no part of the business of government to compose official prayers.
(1963) Abingdon School District v. Schempp Building on Engel in another 8-
1 decision, the Court struck down Pennsylvania's in-school Bible-reading
law as a violation of the First Amendment.
(1963) Gideon v. Wainwright An indigent drifter from Florida made history
when, in a handwritten petition, he persuaded the Court that poor people
had the right to a state-appointed lawyer in criminal cases.
(1964) Escobedo v. Illinois Invoking the Sixth Amendment right to counsel,
the Court threw out the confession of a man whose repeated requests to
see his lawyer, throughout many hours of police interrogation, were
ignored.
(1965) U.S. v. Seeger In one of the first anti-Vietnam War decisions, the
Court extended conscientious objector status to those who do not
necessarily believe in a supreme being, but who oppose war based on
sincere beliefs that are equivalent to religious faith.
(1966) Miranda v. Arizona This famous decision established the "Miranda
warnings," a requirement that the police, before interrogating suspects,
must inform them of their rights. The Court embraced the ACLU's amicus
argument that a suspect in custody has both a Sixth Amendment right to
counsel and a Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination.
(1968) Epperson v. Arkansas The Court ruled that Arkansas had violated the
First Amendment, which forbids official religion, with its ban on
teaching "that mankind ascended or descended from a lower order of
animals."
(1969) Tinker v. Des Moines A landmark lift for symbolic speech and
students' rights. The Court invalidated the suspension of public school
students for wearing black armbands to protest the Vietnam War, writing
that students did not "shed their constitutional rights to freedom of
speech or expression at the schoolhouse gate."
(1971) Cohen v. California Reversed the conviction of a man who allegedly
disturbed the peace by wearing a jacket that bore the words, "Fuck the
draft," while walking through a courthouse corridor. The Court rejected
the notion that the state can prohibit speech just because it is
"offensive."
(1973) Roe v. Wade/ Doe v. Bolton One of the Court's most significant
decisions, Roe erased all existing criminal abortion laws and recognized
a woman's constitutional right to terminate a pregnancy. In Doe, the
companion case, the Court ruled that whether an abortion is "necessary"
is the attending physician's call, to be made in light of all factors
relevant to a woman's well-being.
(1974) U.S. v. Nixon This test of Presidential power involved Nixon's
effort to withhold crucial Watergate tapes from Special Prosecutor Leon
Jaworski. In the only amicus brief filed, the ACLU argued: "There is no
proposition more dangerous to the health of a constitutional democracy
than the notion that an elected head of state is above the law and
beyond the reach of judicial review." The Court agreed and ordered the
tapes handed over.
(1985) Wallace v. Jaffree This important church-state separation decision
found Alabama's "moment of silence" law, which required public school
children to take a moment "for meditation or voluntary prayer," in
violation of the First Amendment's Establishment Clause.
(1989) Texas v. Johnson This First Amendment invalidation of the Texas
flag desecration statute provoked the newly inaugurated George Bush to
propose a federal ban on flag burning ormutilation. Congress swiftly
obliged, but the Court struck down the law a year later in United States
v. Eichman -- in which the ACLU also filed a brief. Both rulings were
big victories for symbolic political speech.
(1992) Planned Parenthood v. Casey A critical, though less than total,
victory for reproductive freedom. While upholding parts of
Pennsylvania's abortion restriction, the Court also reaffirmed the
"central holding" of Roe v. Wade: that abortions performed prior to
viability cannot be criminalized.
(1992) Lee v. Weisman The Court ruled that any officially-sanctioned
prayer at public school graduation ceremonies violates the Establishment
Clause.
(1994) Ladue v. Gilleo Unanimously, the Court struck down an Ohio town's
ordinance that had barred a homeowner from posting a sign in her bedroom
window that said, "Say No to War in the Gulf -- Call Congress Now!"
Now, I ask everyone on this forum to contemplate what these victories did for the people of this country, and I ask you to utilize your critical thinking faculties, and ponder JUST WHAT IT IS that ellis dislikes about the ACLU....
Is it that they uphold the constitution, ellis? Is that it?
Is it that you can't stand the fact that minorities, hippies, women, and foriegn-descended people enjoy the same protections that you, a 'real' American,do?
Is it that liberals actually have some say in the system?
If you have problems with these concepts, I posit that YOU ARE UN-AMERICAN, and don't understand what freedom IS.
You are a repressive-minded redneck.
I don't think the ACLU is powerful enough. Not nearly.
How about you tell us your position on teaching creationism in the public school system, ellis?
I'm dying to hear it.
( You're a conservative Republican who admits to liking drugs )
Frequently the ACLU is the last line of defense in the conservatives never-ending battle to gradually erode many of our most precious constitutional rights, such as the right to be free from 'unreasonable search and seizure', and the right of 'freedom of religion', and 'freedom of speech'.
Some of the more notable ACLU victories in the 20th century;
(1939) Hague v. CIO An important First Amendment case in which the Court
recognized a broad freedom to assemble in public forums, such as
"streets and parks," by invalidating the repressive actions of Jersey
City's anti-union Mayor, "Boss" Hague.
(1941) Edwards v. California In this major victory for poor people's right
to travel from one state to another, the Court struck down an "anti-
Okie" law that made it a crime to transport indigents into California.
(1943) West Virginia v. Barnette A groundbreaking decision, made more
resonant by its issuance in wartime. The Court championed religious
liberty with its holding that a state could not force Jehovah's Witness
children to salute the American flag.
(1946) Hannegan v. Esquire A major blow against censorship. The Court
severely limited the Postmaster General's power to withhold mailing
privileges for allegedly "offensive" material
(1949) Terminiello v. Chicago Protection for offensive speech expanded
with the Court's exoneration of an ex-priest convicted of disorderly
conduct for giving a racist, anti-semitic speech that "invited dispute."
Justice William O. Douglas, for the Court, noted that "the function of
free speech under our system of government is to invite dispute."
(1952) Rochin v. California Reversing the conviction of a man whose
stomach had been forcibly pumped for drugs by a doctor at the behest of
police, the Court ruled that the Due Process Clause outlaws "conduct
that shocks the conscience."
(1958) Trop v. Dulles An American stripped of his citizenship for being a
deserter in World War II suffered cruel and unusual punishment, said the
Court, in violation of the Eighth Amendment.
(1961) Mapp v. Ohio A landmark, in which the Court ruled that the Fourth
Amendment's Exclusionary Rule, first applied to federal law enforcement
officers in 1914, applied to state and local police as well.
(1962) Engel v. Vitale In an 8-1 decision, the Court struck down the New
York State Regent's "nondenominational" school prayer, holding that "It
is no part of the business of government to compose official prayers.
(1963) Abingdon School District v. Schempp Building on Engel in another 8-
1 decision, the Court struck down Pennsylvania's in-school Bible-reading
law as a violation of the First Amendment.
(1963) Gideon v. Wainwright An indigent drifter from Florida made history
when, in a handwritten petition, he persuaded the Court that poor people
had the right to a state-appointed lawyer in criminal cases.
(1964) Escobedo v. Illinois Invoking the Sixth Amendment right to counsel,
the Court threw out the confession of a man whose repeated requests to
see his lawyer, throughout many hours of police interrogation, were
ignored.
(1965) U.S. v. Seeger In one of the first anti-Vietnam War decisions, the
Court extended conscientious objector status to those who do not
necessarily believe in a supreme being, but who oppose war based on
sincere beliefs that are equivalent to religious faith.
(1966) Miranda v. Arizona This famous decision established the "Miranda
warnings," a requirement that the police, before interrogating suspects,
must inform them of their rights. The Court embraced the ACLU's amicus
argument that a suspect in custody has both a Sixth Amendment right to
counsel and a Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination.
(1968) Epperson v. Arkansas The Court ruled that Arkansas had violated the
First Amendment, which forbids official religion, with its ban on
teaching "that mankind ascended or descended from a lower order of
animals."
(1969) Tinker v. Des Moines A landmark lift for symbolic speech and
students' rights. The Court invalidated the suspension of public school
students for wearing black armbands to protest the Vietnam War, writing
that students did not "shed their constitutional rights to freedom of
speech or expression at the schoolhouse gate."
(1971) Cohen v. California Reversed the conviction of a man who allegedly
disturbed the peace by wearing a jacket that bore the words, "Fuck the
draft," while walking through a courthouse corridor. The Court rejected
the notion that the state can prohibit speech just because it is
"offensive."
(1973) Roe v. Wade/ Doe v. Bolton One of the Court's most significant
decisions, Roe erased all existing criminal abortion laws and recognized
a woman's constitutional right to terminate a pregnancy. In Doe, the
companion case, the Court ruled that whether an abortion is "necessary"
is the attending physician's call, to be made in light of all factors
relevant to a woman's well-being.
(1974) U.S. v. Nixon This test of Presidential power involved Nixon's
effort to withhold crucial Watergate tapes from Special Prosecutor Leon
Jaworski. In the only amicus brief filed, the ACLU argued: "There is no
proposition more dangerous to the health of a constitutional democracy
than the notion that an elected head of state is above the law and
beyond the reach of judicial review." The Court agreed and ordered the
tapes handed over.
(1985) Wallace v. Jaffree This important church-state separation decision
found Alabama's "moment of silence" law, which required public school
children to take a moment "for meditation or voluntary prayer," in
violation of the First Amendment's Establishment Clause.
(1989) Texas v. Johnson This First Amendment invalidation of the Texas
flag desecration statute provoked the newly inaugurated George Bush to
propose a federal ban on flag burning ormutilation. Congress swiftly
obliged, but the Court struck down the law a year later in United States
v. Eichman -- in which the ACLU also filed a brief. Both rulings were
big victories for symbolic political speech.
(1992) Planned Parenthood v. Casey A critical, though less than total,
victory for reproductive freedom. While upholding parts of
Pennsylvania's abortion restriction, the Court also reaffirmed the
"central holding" of Roe v. Wade: that abortions performed prior to
viability cannot be criminalized.
(1992) Lee v. Weisman The Court ruled that any officially-sanctioned
prayer at public school graduation ceremonies violates the Establishment
Clause.
(1994) Ladue v. Gilleo Unanimously, the Court struck down an Ohio town's
ordinance that had barred a homeowner from posting a sign in her bedroom
window that said, "Say No to War in the Gulf -- Call Congress Now!"
Now, I ask everyone on this forum to contemplate what these victories did for the people of this country, and I ask you to utilize your critical thinking faculties, and ponder JUST WHAT IT IS that ellis dislikes about the ACLU....
Is it that they uphold the constitution, ellis? Is that it?
Is it that you can't stand the fact that minorities, hippies, women, and foriegn-descended people enjoy the same protections that you, a 'real' American,do?
Is it that liberals actually have some say in the system?
If you have problems with these concepts, I posit that YOU ARE UN-AMERICAN, and don't understand what freedom IS.
You are a repressive-minded redneck.
I don't think the ACLU is powerful enough. Not nearly.
How about you tell us your position on teaching creationism in the public school system, ellis?
I'm dying to hear it.
EllisDee a dit:
It is not us that can't get past it it's you! You keep claiming you and your so-called America should have dominion over everything.
That's no dominion or compassion, that is called respect of the planet. Yes, respect, go and read up the definition in the dictionary, and try to start applying this in your life.
Oh, but we are very tolerant of differing opinions, as long as they don't preach death, destruction, domination, power and abuse of power etc...
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Psychoid a dit:
Oh, but we are very tolerant of differing opinions, as long as they don't preach death, destruction, domination, power and abuse of power etc...[/quote:q0l6rpx3]
Are you just stupid, or are you doing this on purpose? I've said over and over, I respect the planet. MAN, not America, should have dominion. Is that too big a word for you to have command over?. Your bias is showing! Your parents had dominion over you, did they do a good job? Perhaps not.... Be aware, not one of the sheep. You guys must get some bad acid......
....."baaaa, baaaaaa, baaaa, America's baaaaaad, baaaaa....we need government help, baaaaa, baaaaa........"
Get some brains.
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"There are none so blind as those that will not see". Enjoy your world. I will be busy dominating mine with compassion.
Spice made my day. I enjoy an elegant loquacious 'domination' of the English language over him. It's been fun. Now move out of your parents house and get a job!! :wink:
Spice made my day. I enjoy an elegant loquacious 'domination' of the English language over him. It's been fun. Now move out of your parents house and get a job!! :wink:
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and good acid is supposed to show you things should be dominated? don't make me laughEllisDee a dit:
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