Some discussion about American foreign policy...

[GOD]

"What I won't stand for is to be attacked or bullied"

Then why should all the countrys that america has attacked ?

"You can't talk your way out of being attacked"

Exactly . Who attacked who ?

"People who are violent should be taken out with violence. It's a sad reality."

So you agree with the moslem freedom fighters . The american government are the agressors .

"but if I was being picked on at school or something,"

That sounds paranoid . Who has ever picked on america ? And thats why the muslim freedom fighters are defending themselves .

"I wouldn't go around the world trying to impose 'Democracy"

But your government does . Thats the problem . And america and the american government are not democratic . Satan bush dident get in by democratic means . He cheated . Plus if you look at the american election system it is in no way democratic .

"Who doesn't want something for nothing?"

Exactly . Your government is first in the que for that .

Thou shalt not bear false witness .

Thou shalt not take the lords name in vain .

Thou shalt not covert thy neighbours ox .

Love thy neighbour .

Turn the other cheek .

 

[Psyolopher]

i've read this and i couldnt agree more with God!

 

[Guest]

"What I won't stand for is to be attacked or bullied"

Then why should all the countrys that america has attacked ?

"You can't talk your way out of being attacked"

Exactly . Who attacked who ?

Remember 9/11.

"People who are violent should be taken out with violence. It's a sad reality."

So you agree with the moslem freedom fighters . The american government are the agressors .

The Americans aren't perfect, but they definitely have taken out a large segment of violent muslim aggressors. (Taliban, Al-quida....)

"but if I was being picked on at school or something,"

That sounds paranoid . Who has ever picked on america ? And thats why the muslim freedom fighters are defending themselves .

I was making an example.

"I wouldn't go around the world trying to impose 'Democracy"

But your government does . Thats the problem .

I agree wholeheartedly here.

And america and the american government are not democratic . Satan bush dident get in by democratic means . He cheated .

Bah!

Plus if you look at the american election system it is in no way democratic .

That's right. It's a Republic. Pure democracy would be tantamount to everybody voting for freebies until no-one has anything left but the government. The way a prison is ran is a good example of a democracy.

"Who doesn't want something for nothing?"

Exactly . Your government is first in the que for that .

Shady ground there. They give an awful lot to other countries.

Thou shalt not bear false witness .

Thou shalt not take the lords name in vain .

Thou shalt not covert thy neighbours ox .

Love thy neighbour .

Turn the other cheek .

Yes, turn the other cheek. Then what about the second time? You only have two cheeks. I don't believe God wants us to lie down and give up. After you've given the aggressor every opportunity to be peaceful and they decline, and are bent on your destruction, you act swiftly and compassionately.

 

[Guest]

Thou shalt not bear false witness .

Thou shalt not take the lords name in vain .

Thou shalt not covert thy neighbours ox .

Love thy neighbour .

Turn the other cheek.


What about vanity there, GOD? :wink:
BTW, have you surrendered your ego? Perhaps a bit more time spent in the second Bardo would help.
I told you from the start I was a different kind of hippie!

 

[Psychoid]

"Satan Bush"! You sound like a little kid. The USA ended WWII with a little nuke here a little nuke there, and SAVED countless american lives.

Rofl you really are an idiot... a fucking stupid mentally ill ape! I'm not the kind of person to call other people names but that statements deserves all the hatred that is possible, and even more! Right they saved countless american lives... and for that they killed hundred of thousands of people, if not millions. They are heros!

Omg I just can't believe it...

Freedom means not imposing yourself on others. The best way to do that is be the biggest boy on the block.

You contradict yourself and say even more bullshit! Leave this forum at once, you're all but a psychonaut!

And please try to debate civilly.

I debate civilly with civil people

People aren't going to ever 'just get along'. There has always been skirmishes throughout the planet's history. People suck. You do the best you can.

This is exactly because of people that think like this that the world is in such a fucking mess.

How can you all stay calm with this idiot stating such bullshit? Am I just misunderstanding or what?

 

[Guest]

Why is it liberals call names? Weak argument, etc. Enlighten up. Diverse/diversity= different. Should we all celebrate diversity? It's what we've been told. That means then individuality. Not all the same. How does socialism fit in with that one? There's a few intellectually qualified persons on here but a lot of wanna bee's.....I'm not going to make any friends here I can see now. Mention Jesus and all hell breaks loose!! Enjoy guys! Do what the Muslim's tell you, or else..... :?

"Where you see valid achievements or virtue being attacked, it's by someone viewing them as a mirror of their own inadequacy instead of an inspiring beacon for excellence.

 

[Psychoid]

Why is it liberals call names? Weak argument, etc. Enlighten up. Diverse/diversity= different. Should we all celebrate diversity? It's what we've been told. That means then individuality. Not all the same. How does socialism fit in with that one? There's a few intellectually qualified persons on here but a lot of wanna bee's.....I'm not going to make any friends here I can see now. Mention Jesus and all hell breaks loose!! Enjoy guys! Do what the Muslim's tell you, or else..... :?

You make no sense...

Celebrate diversity, yes, I totally agree!
Not celebrate mentally ill megalomaniacs

"There's a few intellectually qualified persons on here but a lot of wanna bee's...."

I suppose I am one of those "wanna bee's" you talk about. OK, I'm not a pro qualified intellectual, and if you are one, then I'm glad not to be one.

"Mention Jesus and all hell breaks loose!!"

Hmm... wtf? What's the point?

"Do what the Muslim's tell you, or else..... :?"

Hmm... wtf? What's the point?

"I'm not going to make any friends here I can see now."

I don't think so, indeed. Nobody here makes friend with people who encourage war, murdering and domination.

"Why is it liberals call names?"

Search on the forum, and you'll see you're the first person I call names. It's really not a habit of mine. But I did this in my anger, hoping it could wake you up, make you realise that you need to see a psychologist, psychiatrist or something. You obviously are living in another world, or were brainwashed.
And who the fuck said I was a liberal?

"Weak argument"

Most arguments have already been said, and I don't feel like enguaging in a useless argument... which in fact I already did. Congrats, you wasted some time of mine!

 

[GOD]

"You obviously are living in another world, or were brainwashed. "

Yes . Theres non so blind as one who wont see . Blind people , religeous fundamentalists ( with the emphasis on mental ) , militants , are responsible for the fall of your country . Remember the boy in the bible that kept shouting "Wolf" ? Thats whats happening to america now , the world is sick of it and is turning its back .

Only a paranoid fool could think america got attacked on 119 . The freedom fighters struck back after years of genocide and war crimes against them . 19 brave men who sacrificed their lives and started the fall of babylon / america .

Your blasphemy about muslims is also sickening . God told abraham to make his first son . and he was the start of the muslim religeon .

Nobody wants to insult you . But the way people like you twist the bible to mean anything america does is gods will is the reason for the most american problems . God is against liers , thieves , cheats , war criminals , mass murderers , hipocrits and bigots .

 

[Forkbender]

Why is it liberals call names? Weak argument, etc. Enlighten up. Diverse/diversity= different. Should we all celebrate diversity? It's what we've been told. That means then individuality. Not all the same. How does socialism fit in with that one?

Like socialism and individualism are the only two options. And stop pretending everybody who disagrees with you is by definition a socialist.

And don't be so ignorant to believe that 9/11 was the start of everything.
Do your homework. The US have imposed their believe system on the world since WWII. The source of terrorism is US imperialism.

Up until now, the USA has in fact dominated the world economically, and militarily. But the young in the USA are becoming weak. They are buying into the socailism thing slowly but surely.

Wake up from your American dream. The US have dominated the world militarily the last, what?, 65 years tops. And that's just because they entered WWII at precisely the right time when everybody already lost a lot of people. They ruled economically until about 20 years ago. Now China is in control, with India on the rise as well. China controls the US, as they are the ones supllying you with goods and borrowing you money to buy those goods. $1.5 billion a day. The interest is nice too. If the US does something China doesn't like, they can just threaten to stop lending money and the US will fall into a recession.

I don't see anyone buying into socialism. I see people voting for candidates who promise them shit they can't really provide, but that's not uncommon to politics in general.

 

[restin]

Here I again am sadly remembered that America didn't live through an Enlightenment Era. You surely don't know Lessing. I propose you reading Nathan the Wise...but I guess it's too late mate. It is thanks to Enlightenment, although I think it partially sucks, that Europe got rid of conservative Church domination and finally found out that actually the individual is worth something. Adam Smith was quite a radical individualist and his theory didn't really work out: Europe found that out very fast. The state had to taim the greedy greedy moneymakers, so e.g. in Switzerland Monopoly and Cartells are forbidden (OF COURSE that didn't extinct illegal stuff but at least partially they are gone). The US somehow missed the point, so now the government is also a greedy greedy moneymaker. I REALLY hope that the US will get wiser and will get rid of the Neocons. But a person who isn't taught Darwin can't be expected to know Kant, does it? I talk about critical thinking.

Question everything (and although GOD likes to call me a brain-washed Soviet, I also dislike what the Russian government does. I only referred to the Georgia conflict that was a huge western propaganda. sorry bout the misunderstanding). Critical thinking, my God.

Remember the boy in the bible that kept shouting "Wolf" ? Thats whats happening to america now , the world is sick of it and is turning its back .

perfect example.


And boy, a Republic?????????????????

okay.

Res publica (lat) : public issue ~ reign of the people
Democracy (gr) : reign of the people.

For fucks sake, didn't you EVER realize that Republican and Democrat means EXACTLY the same in 2 different languages? There is only one party over there and what YOU call a liberal is still a very conservative in Europe. And, dude, you have neither a republic nor a democracy.

 

[Guest]

Democrat=people vote.
Republic=representatives vote.

Fixed it for ya.

 

[restin]

A republic is a state or country that is not led by a hereditary monarch, but in which the people (or at least a part of its people) have impact on its government. The word originates from the Latin term res publica, which literally translates as "public thing" or "public matter".

 

[Guest]

The premise is that instead of every single decision being voted on by the people,(through ballot box), is that we elect representatives who will vote on the day to day issues. Of course, we vote the representatives in. Otherwise, everybody would soon vote themselves every freebie know to man. Then the taxpayer pays, etc. Vicious circle until it collapses.

 

[restin]

So you agree that there is no democracy in the US.

Usage of the term republic is inconsistent but, as a minimum, it means a state or federation of states that does not have a monarch as head of state.

Well, I guess the US has accomplished the minimum. George Bush isn't a monarch, he's a dictator. Congratulations.


And your post doesn't make any sense in relation to the Parties. It isn't that the democrats want a democracy. Talking about the 2 parties, they really mean exactly the same in two different languages.

Do you remember/know what DDR stands for (resp GDR)?

 

[Guest]

For a peace and loving board, you guys sure have beat me up for sharing my beliefs. I never said America should rule the world. What I meant was this; you keep a fire extinguisher in your house, don't you? For the same reason you should be strong militarily. You're not going to start a fire just because you have an extinguisher. Likewise, you shouldn't start a war because you have military. But you should have one in case a fire DOES break out. Simple prudence goes a long way. I never said I like Bush, either. I am for LIMITED government. (extremely limited). I also stated at the beginning of this that boards are famous for taking something out of context and running wild with it. See what happened? I just don't believe lazyness should be rewarded, and capitalism is a good thing. Of course everytrhing is not perfect. But to me it is the best way. Sorry if we disagree.

 

[Psychoid]

I never said America should rule the world.

I'm very conservative, believe in that America should be the strongest militarily, economically, and spiritually. Then rule with compassion to ensure peace.

Have you got personality disorders?

you keep a fire extinguisher in your house, don't you? For the same reason you should be strong militarily.

Very bad example... wars don't start by themselves.

To start a war you need military.

so

No military = no possible war

And US aren't strong militarily "in case a fire starts", they actually are the ones starting fires everywhere.

 

[Guest]

I never said America should rule the world.

I'm very conservative, believe in that America should be the strongest militarily, economically, and spiritually. Then rule with compassion to ensure peace.

Have you got personality disorders?

you keep a fire extinguisher in your house, don't you? For the same reason you should be strong militarily.

Very bad example... wars don't start by themselves.

To start a war you need military.

so

No military = no possible war

And US aren't strong militarily "in case a fire starts", they actually are the ones starting fires everywhere.

If only that were true, my naive and uninformed friend. Have you heard of terrorism? You can hope in one hand and shit in the other, and guess which one will fill up first? Nevermind, I just forgot. We could LOVE our way out of it.
I look at the Middle east and compare that to the USA and I know where I want to live. I look at Israel and Palestine and I know where I would live. Now go twist that around to mean something it isn't. I don't have any more time for this exchange. It is futile. Good luck, and good travelling! Ellis

 

[druglessdouglas]

America has been poking the middle-east with a sharp stick for years. they are responding in the only way they know how. im beginning to think no real information reaches wherever you live. the real world is a lot different from the one you inhabit. i feel genuinely sorry for you

 

[GOD]

"Have you heard of terrorism?"

Yes its american foreign policy . The americans are the terrorists and what you call terrorists are freedom fighters .


"I look at the Middle east and compare that to the USA and I know where I want to live. "

Yes because you arent being bombed by the american forces . If your fashist government wasnt causing trouble in the middle east there would be peace there .

I think its a pity if you run off in a huff . Nobody wants that , but when you keep talking blind american propoganda crap do you exect people not to try to help you ? I thought helping people was the spirit of jesus ? Not commiting genocide .

 

[Guest]

Of course. I should have known that all my research/info is bogus and yours is the truth. Dayum! 8)