Scientists Say Smoking Cannabis DOESN'T Lead Harder Drugs
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Its just pure misunderstanding from there side. They look merely from a chemical an clinical point of view. Its creating a differnt state of reality so dangerous for the mind and can cause psychiatric disorders and erretic behaviour that can get people in dangerous situation (clinical). And Psilocybin is of the chemical family of the indoles , wich include also DMT and Serotonin wich clearly indicate it has effects on the brain chemistry.
I think that the clasifications in the Netherlands are much better done and cover the whole varity of aspects of a drug. I read a few including the one for "magic mushrooms" (so not psilocybin) and they look at many differnent aspects in clasifing these drugs like , harmfullness to the body, harmfulness to the mind, the amount wherein its addictive , the social setting (does it cause problems in the sociaty, look at alcohol !) is the drug attractive for orginized crime, how is the distrubution done and is there information avaialbe ect.
That will give you an overal view of how dangerous a drug really is , for 'magic mushrooms' the threat was not so great according to this evaluation.
Don't know how they do it in other countries but they must have a very different system to end up with class A !!!!
I think that the clasifications in the Netherlands are much better done and cover the whole varity of aspects of a drug. I read a few including the one for "magic mushrooms" (so not psilocybin) and they look at many differnent aspects in clasifing these drugs like , harmfullness to the body, harmfulness to the mind, the amount wherein its addictive , the social setting (does it cause problems in the sociaty, look at alcohol !) is the drug attractive for orginized crime, how is the distrubution done and is there information avaialbe ect.
That will give you an overal view of how dangerous a drug really is , for 'magic mushrooms' the threat was not so great according to this evaluation.
Don't know how they do it in other countries but they must have a very different system to end up with class A !!!!
Rutger, that does seem like a valid reason but I don't believe it. I think it has more to do with governments don't like people to think too much. And I'm not a paranoid guy, but this seems very obvious to me. We all know what shrooms do to people and how they can be the cause of major changes in how we see life, culture and things like that. Governments, institutions, don't like us to think for ourselves.
I agree, I'm reading a book right now about poverty and the World Bank and the writer slowly reveals how governments fool us all by leading us to think they do well in the 3rd world, while they actually only makes themselves more rich... :x
I fully believe this also happens with drugs and the information the government is willing to give about drugs. Take LSD for example. Wouldn't we be able to do beautiful things with it?
I fully believe this also happens with drugs and the information the government is willing to give about drugs. Take LSD for example. Wouldn't we be able to do beautiful things with it?
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Blaming the government is the easy way out. I don't think that we can solely blame the people that are elected for the flaws of our own society. If we want to change society, we shouldn't start at the top, because only people who are supported by the people in general (at least in democratic states) will stay in power. I think we should try to convince as many people as we possibly can of the good nature of these substances for many psychonauts. Government will eventually reflect the will of the people. Call me an optimist, but I sincerely belief in this.
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HeartCore :
"I think it has more to do with governments don't like people to think too much. And I'm not a paranoid guy, but this seems very obvious to me. "
Perhaps you are right in this but still I believe that the people who make such desistion just do not have any form of open mind about this, they see it only as there duty and responsibility to "protect" the people from anything that is harmfull in there "narrow"mind its the only way to act. You can like this or not but most people don't give a f@$% if these kind of substances are banned or not.
I am just glad I am living in a country were some politicians are a bit more open minded, altough most big parties in Holland also are agains most forms of legalization or softening the druglaws.
"I think it has more to do with governments don't like people to think too much. And I'm not a paranoid guy, but this seems very obvious to me. "
Perhaps you are right in this but still I believe that the people who make such desistion just do not have any form of open mind about this, they see it only as there duty and responsibility to "protect" the people from anything that is harmfull in there "narrow"mind its the only way to act. You can like this or not but most people don't give a f@$% if these kind of substances are banned or not.
I am just glad I am living in a country were some politicians are a bit more open minded, altough most big parties in Holland also are agains most forms of legalization or softening the druglaws.
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I'm just reading "DMT the spirit molecule" by Dr. Rick Strassman and he explains how pschedelic substances suddenly became "no-dos" in science during the seventies. Even promising research programmes on psychedelic substances like LSD and DMT were suddenly cancelled in a spirit of "we want to have nothing to do with that, period!" They all got scared by Leary and the likes, I guess...
The weird thing about it is, as Strassman explains: if you are a doctor and want to do a research on heroin, you have no problem getting a permit and funding. If you want to do a research on lsd, you're lost, you won't get permits, you won't get funding, you won't even be able to find a legal supplier for the chemical.
btw. I found it very very interesting which group of people funded Strassman's DMT research: the Freemasons. They seemed to have no problem with it at all :wink:
The weird thing about it is, as Strassman explains: if you are a doctor and want to do a research on heroin, you have no problem getting a permit and funding. If you want to do a research on lsd, you're lost, you won't get permits, you won't get funding, you won't even be able to find a legal supplier for the chemical.
btw. I found it very very interesting which group of people funded Strassman's DMT research: the Freemasons. They seemed to have no problem with it at all :wink:
