Salvia and shamanism?

[Brugmansia]

I wonder why this plant is relatively infamous in context with info on shamanism, or at least less mentioned.

Often shrooms, cannabis, cacti are ayahuasca brews are called within any information source regarding shamanism. And regarding modern psychonautism, LSD and ketamine are included.

But why is a plant with the ability to teleport the soul into a true lucid dream, so often forgotten?

 

[ophiuchus]

forgotten in what? drugs or in shamanism?

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

To me it's somewhat of a deliriant. It made my bong speak to me. It felt as if I was being pulled or dragged somewhere, like an incubus experience. Last but not least, even shamans want to have a good time, and Salvia, acting on the kappa(1)-opioid receptor gives rise to unpleasant (or even dysphoric) effects.

 

[mysticwarrior]

To me it's somewhat of a deliriant. It made my bong speak to me. It felt as if I was being pulled or dragged somewhere, like an incubus experience. Last but not least, even shamans want to have a good time, and Salvia, acting on the kappa(1)-opioid receptor gives rise to unpleasant (or even dysphoric) effects.

I think your right about that. I have tried it a couple of times, but i never had a good comfortable trip or good insight.

 

[Brugmansia]

Do you guys keep your eyes closed for the entire time? I noticed deep meditation allowed me to be truly into the world of my dreams. But it's very hard to crawl into it.

Meditation seems essential. With open eyes, I have found Salvia to be really frightening and it gives me a sort of a mindfuck. I just think that hanging between both worlds, or breaking up meditation is a lost trip. Very strong and messed up.

But with closed eyes it feels as the inner darkness expands to everywhere, from where I lose it. I met the chick of my dreams, and we cuddled a bit on my bed. We're both just sitting, although in reality, I was just laying down backwards into deep meditation. Something like a my little pony world. Young and very maidenly.

At Adrian, just read up random info about Shamanism. You'll almost always catch psilo, cactus or ayahuasca in context with it. While Salvia, is hardly mentioned or lacking an elaborated explaination at least. While I do find, that it brings you as far as smoked DMT. And the world is even more real than with DMT.

 

[redhawk]

I wonder why this plant is relatively infamous in context with info on shamanism, or at least less mentioned.

Maybe because salvia was not that wide spread? I thought it was only found in the region of Oaxaca (Mexico). And shamen in general don’t like to share their knowledge with others. And if I’m correct, they would also chew the leaves, what makes the effect far less powerful. As we smoke extracted salvia, it’s hard to compare the experiences anyway.

If I smoke a ‘high’ dose of salvia, it feels like I’m shot off by a catapult and on my way, my mind get caught up by a tornado. Mostly it feels unpleasant, also because the transition to another level goes to quick. After a couple of minutes, I’ll touch ‘ground’ and get my senses back; from here it mostly becomes pleasant. It’s not incidentally that I feel the presence of entities. By the way, my best experiences were with closed eyes, so this is the way I prefer it. The ‘low’ doses generally feels just pleasant.

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

Yes, I had all my experiences with Salvia in my "silent darkness" days. And before I knew much about Salvia. First time I smoked a gram of 20X in a shisha in the course of two hours. I went "in" to investigate the effect, didn't know what to expect. And as I found out, it's much different from all the other psychedelics I had experienced. I found it a bit unpleasant and too weird.

 

[ophiuchus]

At Adrian, just read up random info about Shamanism. You'll almost always catch psilo, cactus or ayahuasca in context with it. While Salvia, is hardly mentioned or lacking an elaborated explaination at least. While I do find, that it brings you as far as smoked DMT. And the world is even more real than with DMT.

i believe salvia is not mentioned nearly as much, because it is not a preferred substance(in traditional shamanism). usually the substance of choice is mushrooms. i learned this from the topic with drugless it was said that salvia was only used when the shrooms were out of season... ill try to find it, and post it here to help clarify...

 

[ophiuchus]

shit, can't find it. maybe drugless will weigh in on this topic...

 

[JustinNed]

There's a documentary that talks about many variations of drugs including Shamanic use of Salvia. It may have been Taboo: Drugs but I'm not 100% on that.
I find there are 2 kinds of Salvia experiences. The first and most common is a mild effect, dissociation, and an uncomfortable body load.
The second is where you just get blasted away to a different universe, you lose all contact with the real world, no sense of time and you are locked inside your head. I think the people who have used Salvia the traditional Quid method prefer that technique.

 

[redhawk]

i believe salvia is not mentioned nearly as much, because it is not a preferred substance(in traditional shamanism). usually the substance of choice is mushrooms. i learned this from the topic with drugless it was said that salvia was only used when the shrooms were out of season...

This torrent provides a lot of information about Salvia:
http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/3734721 ... d_tips.rar

This book is also included in the above file:
http://www.erowid.org/library/books_onl ... orin.shtml

Some quotes:

“In the present day, S. divinorum has not been discovered growing outside o the Sierra Mazateca, and indigenous groups of the Sierra Mazateca are the only people known to use S. divinorum in traditional ceremonies.

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

[quote:2ur71fvq]the magical disease known as panzón de barrego (i.e., swollen belly), which is said to be caused by a curse from an evil sorcerer (1).

 

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[quote:1t1myns4]the magical disease known as panzón de barrego (i.e., swollen belly), which is said to be caused by a curse from an evil sorcerer (1).

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

Malnutrition, gas, a parasite, who knows?