Ron Paul Wins landslide World Vote!

[RealityPortal]

The worldview is clearer and more focused than the US media cares to be. Expect to when it comes to censor the truth and facts! Ron Paul is the Worlds Number One top choice for the American presidency by an overwhelmingly unified and worried global population. According to internet site whowouldtheworldelect.com and casted votes from more than impressive 100.000 concerned citizen from all around the planet Ron Paul would be the Worlds top choice and beat all other candidates massively.

No other candidates COME EVEN CLOSE to Ron Pauls massive support!

LINK:
http://www.realityportal.info/content/view/111/73/

 

[spice]

I do like what Ron Paul is saying and I would vote for him, if it mattered, but it really doesn't, because the electoral college is what determines who will be President, not the popular vote, just ask Al Gore. ( and while you're at it, ask him how the Bushes managed to rig the electoral vote too, because he KNOWS, but won't talk about it. This is like criminals stealing from each other in jail= RETARDED)

Sadly, I believe it is past the point where reasonable men can effect change in this culture by talking about it.

Anybody here remember in the early nineties when Russia collapsed?

I watched pissed off citizens throwing entrenched lawmakers out of third-story windows.....they had had E-Fucking -Nuff.

The rotted evil that is Industry is too coercive, too powerful
to be changed peacefully. This isn't just my opinion, I have all the collective weight of history backing me up here.

Real change is always escorted by violence. because thats the only language these knee-jerks understand.

I REALLY get tired of listening to all these sympathetic redneck men and their willingness to kneel down and take industry in mouth, anytime, anyplace. They don't even realize that their attitudes are hand-me-downs, nor do they realize how crappy those tight collars and torn knees appear to the rest of us.

They think they are in their Sunday best.

These attitudes are transmitted parentally, an ongoing chain of wrong-headed ideas....from what I see, most children do not have very well developed critical thinking skills in this country.....nor are these things talked about much, for what IS critical thinking, other than a 'bullshit-detector'?

This chain of reasoning begs the real question, and YOW! what a can of worms....

Does everyone have the 'right' to be a parent?

 

[Meduzz]

Does everyone have the 'right' to be a parent?

yes, and i still think that however the majority of people are crap-brained, they do what they think is good.

and if like 80% of the people is happy in a "brave new world" society, why should the other 20% prevent that from happening?

BUT we should be able to choose

(there are just waaay to many people on earth and STILL no working system)

 

[spice]

You said;

' yes, and I still think that however the majority of people are crap-brained, they do what they think is good'...

But many times, what they 'think' is good ISN'T, and worse than that, they themselves haven't fully, really, examined what it is that they think is good. That is what I mean by a 'hand-me-down attitude'....

Thinking what your dad thought, JUST BECAUSE HE THOUGHT IT, does NOT make it good....


You said;

'and if like, 80% of the people is happy in a 'Brave New World' society, why should the other 20% prevent that from happening'?

Because no percentage should dictate what any other percentage should have to endure. This is the diametric opposite of freedom; it is coercion, aka 'control'.

'The Majority rules' is inherently flawed as a concept of social organization....

Look at the sad state of affairs in any Political race....the fact is, FIRST, the majority doesn't rule, we've just been repetitively sloganeered into believing it does.

Most presidential elections have been decided by a LOT LESS that the majority vote (as if that mattered, see electoral college comments above) so it can be seen that in actuality, the MINORITY rules.

Still does.

But, relly, on a philosophical basis, saying that majority rules, is only going to be functional on the basis it was originally designed to be functional;

The very small village or town, where most people are of the same attitude and mindset, for instance a small farming community with LITTLE DIVERSITY.

When you have little diversity, there really isnt much need for democracy, now is there?

Let's say you and I are sitting in a house, lamenting over the fact that we have no money...then, we see, say.....
Mr.BB walking down the street, counting bills, and we decide... ' Hey, majority rules, there's two of us, so we knock Mr.BB in the head and 'democratically equalize' the funds.... does majority rule still sound like such a good idea?

No. Now it sounds like big government, taking my fucking money and applying it where they think it is needed most.

This implies that I am a fucking idiot that doesn't best know how to allocate my resources. It is, and should be insulting to anyones intelligence.

The answer is self sufficiency, in whatever degree.

 

[Forkbender]

This poll is just a poll. Ron Paul cannot do anything with it. It shows that 100.000 people who may or may not be from other countries than the US vote for Ron Paul in an election without real meaning. :?

 

[Meduzz]

thx for the reply spice, it cleared some things up.

i was just thinking aloud, the main point was the part about too many people and no system that works.

it's just SAD

bottom line is that money rules over us, maybe not directly, but still.
just try to find the most powerful man on earth, and IF you find him, try to find out what has power over him... i bet it's money :wink:

that strange thing money...
but it's inevitable, so what can you do?

 

[random]

Does everyone have the 'right' to be a parent?

yes, and i still think that however the majority of people are crap-brained, they do what they think is good.

Even if it is entirely wrong? People do what "they" think is good or what the system/culture (values) keeps telling them what they should think it's good?

and if like 80% of the people is happy in a "brave new world" society, why should the other 20% prevent that from happening?

They shouldn't. BUT the other 80% should respect the other 20% that thinks and acts in other way.
And that is, in general, what doesn't happen in our society... If you know what I'm trying to say...

What I think it should be done to "fight" overpopulation, and maybe you don't agree with me but this spreading "disease" (human kind) must stop, mothers should only be alowed to have no more than one/two childs...
After the second one, there are medical processes that don't allow women to have more babys. This must be done, otherwise population will never stop growing like it had happen in the last 100 or 150 years...
Or we decide this, or Mother Nature will start more often with the climate changes, cyclons, earthquakes, drastic temperature changes, outrageous rains, etc... andl, in fact, this IS happening more often.. (all this natural "catastrophes" are the result of the overpopulation, witch means more polution, more consuming of natural resources, etc... )

I mean there are parents, even living in a very poor enviornment, and with lack of healthy conditions, they just "don't" stop with child making... like 6 kids or 7 or even more... Some one has to stop this... or else this will be all over pretty soon, even more soon than I or you presume.

(this was before your and spice's edit )

 

[Meduzz]

random, it's not as simple as you draw it. making a law that forbids more than 2 children would create be not only one more law forbidding us something, but also an extra boost to population ageing.

sorry but i sometimes have a tendency to playing the devil's advocate, sometimes without thinking it trough, but countering an opinion leads to purification of facts. nothing is objective. (thinking aloud again )

back on topic:
i haven't been very focussed on the news lately but i just read an open letter from michael moore translated to dutch in the belgian newspaper "de morgen".

i felt some sympathy for John Edwards as he stated that the greed of the corporations holds democracy within an iron grasp. he refused to take money from the corporations to fund his campaign, and the media sees him as a danger.
so i guess he doesn't stand much chance?

 

[random]

There are many laws, and, in my opinion, most of them are stupid... Anyway, I don't see this as just "Another Law" , I guess it would be a "law" that would help , first of all , the Earth, and then Us as human kind.

I'm telling this will have positive effects, not on a short term, but like 100 years from now (if 100 years are possible).

And I think it's that simple, people are the ones that are too confused and complicate things... Anyway there's not much time to pop out a "Miracle Solution" for our problem (what ever that means..). I guess we have to start somewhere. And why not starting to reduce the volume of the problem on Earth? (human kind)

 

[spice]

Well, I wasn't talking about limiting the number of children. I was saying that not everybody seems to have the ACTUAL skill-sets to raise functional. well-adjusted children.

Any imbecile can throw cereal and cartoons into a kid until they hit puberty, shee-it.

Ladies, many of you have children for the wrong reasons, just like many of us impregnate you for the wrong reasons.

Having a kid because you're lonely isn't a very good reason, and isn't exactly intelligent.

Having five kids because your momma did isn't a very good reason, either... ( a female variant of a 'hand-me-down attitude' )


Having a whole shitpot of kids to 'work the system' is ignorant, as well as wrong.

AND NO, HELLLLLL NO.... having his baby will NOT 'straighten him out'


Guys- Having a kid so you can have someone to teach the sacred arts of hunting and fishing......man, get a life.

Unfortunately most people really are just winging it when they bring children into the world, just like a wild animal.

Why is this?

It isn't because we have to have it like this, I think we LIKE being idiots, to a certain extent.

Because NOT being an idiot impies a certain responsibility, and if you feel a responsibility, then you probably will have to act on it....and a lot of people would rather just cave in to their impulses and do whatever they feel they'd like, at any given moment.

I don't think reproduction should be thought of as a right, but as a responsibility that we have to live up to.

We still have a lot of growing to do as a species.

A

L-O-T.

 

[Meduzz]

the mutual-adoption-clubs in Island by Aldous Huxley is one of the best ideas i have ever heared involving raising kids.

but indeed, a change of mentality is crucial

 

[random]

I share the same opinion. But we can do that to a certain extent. If you have a really close group of friends, you can just start doing that method. And agree when they'll have their kids they will do it, just like you will. (This would be done just between the members of the group).
Anyway, this idea could be contageous in some way... and the kids will grouw much more responsible, and much more enriched (as human beings) as if they, just like everybody, grow up in a "familiar" enviornment.
Well I think this is a Start to spread that genious idea/method of raising kids.
One thing leads to another, and another, and so on....

 

[spice]

Yes, but the crucial ingredient is that one has to be around others who share their attitudes and vision.

I could never concieve doing such a thing in this culture, in my day-to-day reality, because even among the few that I count as friends in this 'real' world, or 'meatspace' as they say, the pervasive Republican attiudes exist, in some way shape or form.

If you 'buy into' the Western dominator philosophy at all, I don't want you ANYWHERE near my child, my significant other, or myself.

By that, I mean;

Do you defend big industry when someone makes a negative comment?

Get the fuck away.

Do you think slapping your wife or child in the mouth because they dared voice an opinion contrary to yours okay?

Get the fuck away.

Are you continually bitching and whining about 'all them minorities
gettin' a free ride'?

Then you're IGNORANT, and get the fuck away.


Do you try to justify Bush's war machine by pointing at your dual-wheel Ford pickup?

G-E-T the fuck away from me.


Do you think prayer in public schools is a good thing?
(mandatory prayer, as practiced in Dixie)

Then you are dumb, as well as ignorant.

Do you truly BELIEVE that we NEED Exxon, for the long term?

Ha-ha.


This is the kind of SHIT that I encounter, day in and day out.

I am embedded in a culture of cowboy idiots, and I have to work very hard to keep my senses in this shitstorm.

No way do I want any of those values even on the same street as me, much less in my living room.

It is painfully obvious that this precludes a huge break for me sometime in the future. I have completely lost faith in this system and those who presume to lead us.

....and I'm waiting on someone else in this place to wake up.

 

[random]

But the idea is making this process between friends you REALLY trust, otherwise is useless even thinking about the idea of doing so.

If you (I mean anyone here) have friends that have similar ideas as you, and share the same way of seeing life as you.. well what's the contraditions on doing that?

And ofcourse I won't put my child (I don't have any) in the "hands" of someone that I don't trust! Specially the "Followers" of Policys.

This was more an idea on "internal" organization, between you and your friends and family...

And on a very distant future, if civilization reachs (It's probably my deepest wish) the mentality, of Pala, one day (many years from now), well then I would trust the life and education of my child to the hands of a Brother of mine.
But I don't think that I will be here, at least physically, to see that happen