Questions about the effects of aya, dmt

[st.bot.32]

I posted this in another thread but realized it is better suited in its own thread.. (deleting the other one)

I'm just curious as to how the Ayahuasca trip actually compares to other psychedelics..

I'm used to tripping by myself. When I take psychedelics my favorite thing to do is to close my eyes, often have some sort of minimalist music and actually ride the experience, the thought patterns, the wild mental connections and visuals (hence I prefer tripping by myself, although with others can be fun from time to time in the right setting) In this state is where I find I feel the real differences with substances, high doses of THC has its own sort of "spirit" as does the mushies and 'cid.

This is what I would be the most curious as to how DMT affects me.. would I experience the same kind of fractal, spiraling thought patterns and geometrical structures you get from blotter or mushies? Do you get synesthesia, crossing of your senses? I haven't had a high dose mushroom trip yet (though I will soon) but I have had at least one trip on 'cid where I basically experienced ego death, and a few milder trips since then..

I also love to make music and play instruments on psychedelics.. can you do this on DMT? It sounds like there must be different levels or plateaus of the experience, much like with other psychedelics..

 

[GOD]

"It sounds like there must be different levels or plateaus of the experience, much like with other psychedelics.."

Exactly . A trip is a trip is a trip is a trip .

 

[magickmumu]

like most psychedlics ayahuasca comes on in waves.

One thing about ayahuasca that's diffrent from mushrooms or lsd is that ayahuasca gives you energy. The day after most people feel great. ayahuasca is also used for healing.

another thing that is typical about ayahuasca is the throwing up.
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[druglessdouglas]

is there any way to avoid the barf? i never normally arf on drugs but i get the feeling amazon tv will be different. is it best to fast first?i can think of a few antiemetics but dont want to interfere with the natural process if its part of the experience :?:

 

[magickmumu]

is there any way to avoid the barf? i never normally arf on drugs but i get the feeling amazon tv will be different. is it best to fast first?i can think of a few antiemetics but dont want to interfere with the natural process if its part of the experience :?:

Throwing up is part of the cleansing/healing process of ayahuasca. DO NOT TRY TO AVOID IT. :!:

there is no need for anti emetics (or any other pills), when drinking ayahuasca.

 

[druglessdouglas]

okaydokay thats what i tho :vom: ught cheers

 

[Brugmansia]

I'm interested in doing ayahuasca, too. Somehow it tells me it's a much wider experience than smoking purified DMT.

 

[endlessness]

Here´s how I view the differences between the psychedelics, from my own experience:

ACID - It is like a microscope, or a telescope, for the mind... Many of the mind´s faculties seem to be accelerated, more detailed, finer.. I seem to realize all the different hidden patterns in the stimulus (sound, vision, etc). There is a sort of ´super-human´ thing going on.

If everything is vibrations, frequencies, and we have a limitation in the range of frequencies we can normally perceive, then with acid, its like this range increases. It makes one see an extra quality in everything, an additional information about each thing´s essence that couldnt be notice before.

the visuals are very sharp, fractal patterns.

acid is like the joker in playing cards, it can be all sorts of things, but its as if it´s not really a connection to an entity like other psychedelics. It´s quite neutral somehow, it brings you in this scientific super-evaluation mental connections state, but the shade that it takes depends entirely on you, on the set and setting, just like the joker can become any card in the playing cards deck, just depending on where you put it


MUSHROOM - Much more playful.. The famous ´gnomes´ are not little beings that one sees just like one sees the computer in front of you. They are more like, little energies, tendencies, that are all around, subtle, hard to see, playfull, trickery. They morph with the world around. One can see them in the patterns in the tree, always changing, hiding, the teeth of one becomes the eyes of another, which then one looks again and its only a leaf in the tree..

The patterns and colours and sounds are very wobbly, round. One can hear things as well..

So mushrooms do have this more alive ´Being/entity´ energy in them.. and they can teach you and play with you, or if you dont respect, they can mock you, ridicularize you, etc.

PEYOTE/SAN PEDRO - There is a very particular desert shaman feeling.. It´s very calm, subtle teaching.. feels like you are looking things from above (not spacially from above, but from a higher consciousness position), with an undescribable peace of mind.. There seems to be a very special life to it, like some calm wise mescal entity.

AYAHUASCA - The teacher. Very serious energy. Not a recreational drug, but more like a spiritual sacrament.

One faces all his/her mistakes more impartially, there is no hiding here. With acid, for example, you see many things here and there, and truth can be anything or nothing.
With ayahuasca no: There is a definite feeling of Truth, and you see it/feel it. You cannot lie to yourself, nor to the ayahuasca energy. It sees through, and you see through. One sees the void from where it all comes, like a potential puddle that has all the possible colours in it, but still hasn´t come to form. It changes your life, and you realize you still have a long way to go in your personal evolution.

The difficulty is a part of the experience. It´s as if ayahuasca wants to make you ´suffer´ somehow so you can get stronger.

A big part of the experience is also visual. One can see landscapes, forests, snakes, fractal beings.


DMT (smoked) - Bang! K.O.´d by the universe. Infinite layers of geometric/fractal/impossible patterns and colours. There are beings, and they are busy.. They are semi-transparent, also made of colours, and how they move affect the rest of the universe. They come to you, kick or punch your face but their hands are made of colours, so its just colours coming towards you. They speak and forms come out of their mouth.
In general these beings try to show you something, they bring these escher-like/alex grey/fractal cubes or objects of some sort, very active objects, and they bring for your examination.
Everything is interconnected, there is an unbelieavable level of intelligence that you could never have imagined before. There is a very strong knowledge/sense/feeling that what you experience is NOT made by your mind: It exists outside, it is a dimension independent of us. You come back, and there is no specific teaching, you didnt learn something about your mistakes, but you did visit another world much more impressive than any sci-fi film, and you now know that the universe is much bigger, more intelligent and more beautiful than you thought.

 

[Meduzz]

there is no need for anti emetics (or any other pills), when drinking ayahuasca.

Shamans did sometimes add datura to ayahuasca, to potentiate the brew.
But scopolamine in low doses is also used against stomach discomfort and barfing... :idea:

 

[GOD]

"Shamans did sometimes add datura to ayahuasca, to potentiate the brew."

When ? Where ? How much ? Name and the adress of the "shaman" please , not just the same old speculation warmed up over and over again . = Crap that goes from one forum to another , pseudo facts substantiating roumors that get acepted as a basis for theorys and twisted shit like "the hypocritic inquisition" comes out .

 

[Meduzz]

Source is Jeremy Narby in a lecture about ayahuasca and anthropology.

EDIT: found in our very own psychonaut channel http://www.youtube.com/user/psychonautchannel

 

[GOD]

WoW !!! How that web shit gets around.......

Facts ? Dosage ? Proof that its more than just a token ?

 

[Meduzz]

:?:

 

[GOD]

What ???

 

[Meduzz]

Even if it's just a token....
My speculation is about LOW dosage of datura to counter vomitting.
Although I can't deny vomitting seems like a crucial stage in the healing...

Narby speculates that shamans use plants to discover plants. He thinks datura has even led to the discovery of ayahuasca. Because the chance of a human combining banisteriopsis with a DMT containing plant would be to small to be relevant due to the huge biodiversity in the rainforest...

But why am I telling you this when I just gave you the link to the video? :wink:

 

[GOD]

Thanks for the explenation .

"But why am I telling you this when I just gave you the link to the video?"

Because you know i wouldnt watch it ????

"He thinks datura has even led to the discovery of ayahuasca."

If it sells books and makes the guy to an expert who cares ???? .......... ME . I dont like hippy shit . Again , we dont want to land up as a joke for the rest of the rational world like "the hypocritic inquisition" .

"Because the chance of a human combining banisteriopsis with a DMT containing plant would be to small to be relevant due to the huge biodiversity in the rainforest.."

Jeeze !!! What wisdom from a fat , middle class , rich bastard who comes from the city . Does the fucker get lost walking around his city ???? Is there more diversity in the city or the jungle ? ( Who gives a fuck if its edible diversity or not ) . City people go to the countryside and all they see are trees and grass . Those people live there doing trial and error experiments for thousands of years , and they dont have to fast to survive .

 

[Meduzz]

and they dont have to fast to survive .

LOL