Question regarding Ayahuasca.

[Neuromantix866]

So, I want to prepare ayahuasca. I was thinking about using Banisteriopsis caapi and Mimosa hostilis. I want to make it for a company of 3 people. What quantities I should get?

 

[IJesusChrist]

Note: Ayahuasca is not like acid or mushrooms. If you stand up, you will probably not be able to tell you are standing up. For most people they sit or lay down, and aren't in their body anymore. Talking is possible, but at higher doses and at the peak you probably won't be able to hear anyone, but may see their souls, their lives.

This isn't something to 'get high' off and it's DEFINATELY not a party drug. If you can, I strongly suggest being outside.

I hope you've researched alot - this may be the most demanding thing you ever do in your entire life.

EDIT: There isn't any way to tell how much you will get out of your bark unless you do an a/b extraction. What this means is if you boil down 20 grams, you CAN get 70mgs. THIS IS HUGE! I would be very careful, so maybe even, if you have two days, test the waters with 10 grams of mimosa, and if that isn't enough attempt again with 20 grams.

If you havn't bought it already, ask the place you get it from how old it is (older will be nicer trip, but less pure dmt)

 

[endlessness]

Heavy dose: 25+mgs
Lower dose: 10-20 (10 would be like maybe taking some small mushrooms)

Caapi: doesn't matter too much, just don't take a ton.

So, the amount for three people... yes yes yes hmm!!

You'll want to boil 20 grams. Cut that between three people and you should be OK.
Caapi, 20, 30 grams, more doesn't hurt, not much affect compared to DMT.

make sure you heat it for a long long time. I forget if boiling is OK or if you just heat it - I can never remember.

If you get 500 grams mimosa, just weigh out 20 grams, put it in a pot of water with slight lemon juice (not required) and either put the caapi in with it or put it in another pot if drink seperately. you have to heat it for atleast 8 hours, 24 is better. after a long time and water is getting low, add some water, strain out everything so you just have dark liquid. Heat until you have enough to easily drink between three people.

Note: Ayahuasca is not like acid or mushrooms. If you stand up, you will probably not be able to tell you are standing up. For most people they sit or lay down, and aren't in their body anymore. Talking is possible, but at higher doses and at the peak you probably won't be able to hear anyone, but may see their souls, their lives.

This isn't something to 'get high' off and it's DEFINATELY not a party drug. If you can, I strongly suggest being outside.

I hope you've researched alot - this may be the most demanding thing you ever do in your entire life.

EDIT: There isn't any way to tell how much you will get out of your bark unless you do an a/b extraction. What this means is if you boil down 20 grams, you CAN get 70mgs. THIS IS HUGE! I would be very careful, so maybe even, if you have two days, test the waters with 10 grams of mimosa, and if that isn't enough attempt again with 20 grams.

If you havn't bought it already, ask the place you get it from how old it is (older will be nicer trip, but less pure dmt)

sorry but I have to contradict you again... NO!!

that is very bad advice.. Start with 5 grams of mimosa max!!! And with 40-50g caapi! Your numbers are way off, 20g of any good quality mimosa would rip your world appart! Mimosa has 1%+ actives, so 20g would mean 200mg of dmt!! Either you have been taking crap mimosa, or not taking enough caapi/MAOI so part of your dmt is being deactivated, or you are not making it correctly.

youre not supposed to just put it in water and boil and strain and drink, you'll only have part of the actives like this, its a waste.. You have to boil (for, say, half an hour to one hour is enough), strain, add more fresh liquid, boil again, strain again, do this for a total of 3 times, discard the solids, put together the liquids and then drink (or reduce for more manageable amount, like 100ml per dose, and then drink)

 

[Guest]

Just out of curiosity, will the other three people take Aya as well?

 

[IJesusChrist]

k take endlessness's advice. I just wouldn't expect 1% yields from boiling.

What I meant with 200 grams -> you can get 70 mgs PER PERSON.

That will, I don't know if you can handle that... if anyone can.

 

[Neuromantix866]

thanks for the advices. I don't want to take aya for fun or recreational uses. In this company we're all pretty experienced psychonauts, only problem is - we've been taking DXM for most of the time. so we wanted to try something different. aya seems like a pretty good shamanic substance to use for our spiritual rituals.

I have another question though - is it OK to smoke weed after drinking the aya brew?

 

[Neuromantix866]

Just out of curiosity, will the other three people take Aya as well?

yes, that is the plan. although I think we should get a sitter.

 

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My first experience with Mimosa was with approximately 19 grams. I was lying down most of the time and couldn't easily comprehend what was said to me by my sitter. I didn't use Caapi but Syrian Rue, which is cheaper, much easier to prepare and doesn't make you vomit. If anything makes you puke, it's the Mimosa, because of the tannins. It helps if you let the brew settle for a while before you drink or condense it further.

I don't agree you have to boil Mimosa powder for several hours or an entire day. Half an hour to an hour is enough in my experience.

70 mg of DMT is a lot when you smoke it, but not necessarily when you ingest it orally.

And yes, I always smoke weed right after I ingest the brew, to combat the nausea. Smoking weed before, during or after an Ayahuasca session seems to be common practice.

 

[Neuromantix866]

My first experience with Mimosa was with approximately 19 grams. I was lying down most of the time and couldn't easily comprehend what was said to me by my sitter. I didn't use Caapi but Syrian Rue, which is cheaper, much easier to prepare and doesn't make you vomit. If anything makes you puke, it's the Mimosa, because of the tannins. It helps if you let the brew settle for a while before you drink or condense it further.

I don't agree you have to boil Mimosa powder for several hours or an entire day. Half an hour to an hour is enough in my experience.

70 mg of DMT is a lot when you smoke it, but not necessarily when you ingest it orally.

And yes, I always smoke weed right after I ingest the brew, to combat the nausea. Smoking weed before, during or after an Ayahuasca session seems to be common practice.

Is there any suggestions on what to do if the trip goes horribly wrong?

 

[IJesusChrist]

Well, to be honest you have to take it. If you know you're not ready before the 45 minute mark, induce vomitting. That will give you a light mushroom floaty trip.

But really, if it starts going bad, accept this fact. Lay back, and wait. You'll come back 100%, but at times, this will not seem possible. If you start feeling anxious, breathe slowly, in the nose, out the mouth, relax, and accept.

You may die, but you will be reborn... It's a heavy experience friend, take it easy, and take it fully, don't deny it's access.

 

[Neuromantix866]

Well, to be honest you have to take it. If you know you're not ready before the 45 minute mark, induce vomitting. That will give you a light mushroom floaty trip.

But really, if it starts going bad, accept this fact. Lay back, and wait. You'll come back 100%, but at times, this will not seem possible. If you start feeling anxious, breathe slowly, in the nose, out the mouth, relax, and accept.

You may die, but you will be reborn... It's a heavy experience friend, take it easy, and take it fully, don't deny it's access.

Ok. We'll go with smaller amounts for a starting experience. Is there any fast developing tolerance for the DMT?

 

[IJesusChrist]

Sorry - when I said you may die, i meant metaphorically, not literally. After I posted that I did a little "Oh shit!" lol, didn't mean to scare you.

I don't know of any tolerance built to ayahuasca... I don't know of many people who claim to have tried it back to back though either.

Remember that the MAOI (B.Caapi or Serian Rue) requires a special diet 48 hours before and after ingestion.

Read up on that if you haven't yet!