Psychonautica 22 'Sex on Drugs' OUT NOW

[maxfreakout]

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In this festive season episode of psychonautica, Max Freakout talks about the relation between psychedelic drugs and sexuality. After first bidding a psychonaut farewell to queerninja, Max reads out a forum post from xochipilli2012 about his love of mushrooms, evil porn and scented olive oil, the effects of mushrooms on erectile dysfunction, MDMA and strap-on dildoes, private numbness from Hawaian Baby Woodrose seeds and the best choice out of mushrooms or LSD as an aphrodisiac. Then Max talks about erotic cave-paintings and archaic sexual practises, the sexual revolution in the 1960s alongside the psychedelic revolution, Hollands liberal stance on sexuality vs conservative attitudes to sex and drugs, tantric sex, including its potential psychedelic origins, and its use for dissolving ego, Dave Chappelle's first time on mushrooms and using MDMA to treat rape-trauma and in relationship counselling. Following an account by Terence Mckenna of a DMT-fueled sexual encounter, Max talks about alternative 'fringe' sexual practises, in particular BDSM, the experience of the endorphin rush known as 'flying', called the 'fast track to enlightenment', sexual power games involving control-loss and experiencing helplessness, the similarity between a BDSM session and a psychedelic trip, and its relation to psychedelic psychotherapy and the womb-regression experience. Finally Max gives a brief review of the forthcoming novel 'Beyond the Basin' and concludes with a further comment on archaic, orgiastic sexual practises.

Playlist:
Aphrodite - Kama sutra
DJ Shadow - what does your soul look like?

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

Niiiiice!!! :thumbsup:

Sounds like another very interesting episode!!

 

[DoctorOpiatus]

Good podcast. This is always something that alienated me from my friends, I found sexuality to be an important part of my personal psychedelic journeys. When bringing a girl into my chaotic mindset, it adds much different emotions and feelings to the trip, and seems to highly increase telepathic events for me (with my partner). And as much as I love mushrooms, I agree they aren't the best for a great sex experience. I much prefer acid when it comes to sex. Visuals in the heat of the moment are phenomenal, and rarely anything typical. Unfortunately acid is harder to control emotionally for me than anything else, consequently sometimes nights that were suppose to lead to sex didn't. It's not that I wasn't in the mood, it's more like my trip wasn't in the mood.

I'm new by the way, can't believe I haven't been here before. Great website!

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

Welcome Doctor!

I just finished listening to the podcast. Very interesting talk by Max citing Stanislav Grof, nice tunes (*blushes*), and one of the most amusing passages from True Hallucinations, read by Terence himself.

 

[HeartCore]

*Remembers one time 'accidental' sex while on a full dose of shrooms..


Amazing.....


*heads back to work*

 

[skrudge]

accidental sex, haven't heard that one before please explain HC

 

[Brugmansia]

If I had pick a drug that truly melts two humans in love to once it'd be 2cb and mescaline. MDMA, shrooms and Acid are following closely after those 2.

For purely loveless sex, I'd have to say coke or GHB.

 

[HeartCore]

accidental sex, haven't heard that one before Very Happy please explain HC Very Happy

Unexpected visitor on my 24th birthday + some friends who I sent to Amstedam (consious dreams) to buy shrooms for everybody attending..

I'm not going to share the details

 

[Maxi]

I'm not going to share the details Wink

I really want to react on this one, but not gonna...hahaha!!!!!

 

[HeartCore]

I'm not going to share the details Wink

I really want to react on this one, but not gonna...hahaha!!!!!

So dont

 

[phalaris]

..too..much..info..


(so much for my 'freedom of information' position in another thread )

 

[maxfreakout]

accidental sex, haven't heard that one before

"ooops sorry!! How did my willy end up inside you?"

 

[Forkbender]

Calling Holland sexually liberated is like calling the Red Light District of Amsterdam Holland or like calling the pope a transvestite. The U.S. isn't San Fransisco or New Orleans or New York or Miami. Germany isn't Hamburg. Go to a small town in the southeast of holland and see how 'liberated' people are before you shout something that isn't true. Even in parts of Amsterdam gays cannot walk hand in hand without being shouted at or worse (several incidents in the last years).

 

[maxfreakout]

Calling Holland sexually liberated is like calling the Red Light District of Amsterdam Holland or like calling the pope a transvestite. The U.S. isn't San Fransisco or New Orleans or New York or Miami. Germany isn't Hamburg. Go to a small town in the southeast of holland and see how 'liberated' people are before you shout something that isn't true. Even in parts of Amsterdam gays cannot walk hand in hand without being shouted at or worse (several incidents in the last years).

It's the MOST sexually liberated country, that isnt the same as saying they have perfect sexual liberation

they have the least censorship of pornography, and the least restrictions on prostitution

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

Max, do you think it would be possible to dedicate a podcast to psychedelics and sexual abstinence (like purposefully abstaining from sensual stimuli during or even several days prior to a trip)? Maybe ask Michael Hoffman what are his thoughts on the strong emphasis on celibacy in the New Testament and early church traditions, and how that relates to psychedelics and ego-death?

 

[maxfreakout]

Max, do you think it would be possible to dedicate a podcast to psychedelics and sexual abstinence (like purposefully abstaining from sensual stimuli during or even several days prior to a trip)? Maybe ask Michael Hoffman what are his thoughts on the strong emphasis on celibacy in the New Testament and early church traditions, and how that relates to psychedelics and ego-death?

That's an interesting idea, i always try to be as sexually abstinent as possible prior to a trip. Im not sure there's a whole podcast's worth of stuff to say about it though, do you have any relevant sources?

 

[HeartCore]

Max, do you think it would be possible to dedicate a podcast to psychedelics and sexual abstinence (like purposefully abstaining from sensual stimuli during or even several days prior to a trip)? Maybe ask Michael Hoffman what are his thoughts on the strong emphasis on celibacy in the New Testament and early church traditions, and how that relates to psychedelics and ego-death?

There seem to be a number of different explanations for this which I am aware of:

1) If you have sex prior to experiencing a teacher plant, the plant will become jealous and punish you
2) by having sex prior to an experience with a teacher plant, the chance of having a kundalini experience becomes smaller.

 

[Forkbender]

It's like having sex before the big match!

About the whole sexual liberation thing: I don't think Holland is any more liberated than any other country. You confuse law with ethics, the law is pretty loose, I admit, but people are generally pretty conservative. Liberation doesn't have anything to do with the law, it transcends the law. It has to do with ethics and what people consider 'correct' or 'normal'. Sexually liberated to me means that you as a person first of all do not care about other people's sexual orientation and/or fantasies. Second, it means a willingness to explore one's own sexuality, not letting yourself be restricted by any prejudgments. Third, it means to see sex as something that can be enlightening and can be practiced just for the sake of it, instead of as something that is a pure way to 'get off', and has an intrinsic goal (i.e. orgasm) to it. The second and third are pretty hard to find in Holland, and the first is even changing for the worse in the last couple of years. If you see how many preconceived (!) ideas a random Dutch person has about sex, you would question our supposed sexual liberation.

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

Im not sure there's a whole podcast's worth of stuff to say about it though, do you have any relevant sources?

I do remember I read somewhere, perhaps in Plants Of The Gods, that native Americans traditionally abstain from all sexual activity several days prior to the ingestion of peyote, and Leary/Metzner/Alpert's commentary on the Tibetan Book Of The Dead discusses the matter as well:

"Another trap is that of imposing a sexual interpretation. The dancing, playful flow of life is, in the most reverant sense, sexual. Forms merging, spinning together, reproducing. Eros in its countless manifestations. The Tibetans refer to the female Bodhisattva as Pushpema, personification of blossoms, and Lasema, the "Belle", depicted holding a mirror in a coquettish attitude. Keep the pure, spontaneous awareness of the Mirror-like Wisdom. Laugh joyously at the tricks of the life process, forever decking out forms in seductive, enticing patterns to keep the dance going. If the voyager interprets the visions of Eros in terms of his personal sexual game model, and attempts to think or plan - "what should I do? what role should I play?" - he is likely to slip down into the Third Bardo. Sexual plots dominate his awareness, the flow fades, the mirror tarnishes, and he is rudely reborn as a confused, thinking being."

My first trips, on LSD, were all nonsexual. From age 18 through 22 I purposefully abstained from all sexual thought and activity (and from drugs...), because I had become a monk practicing a somewhat ascetic monotheistic Indian religion.

I started doing shrooms after those years of celibacy, about a year into my marriage (I was then 24). I had some positive and some negative experiences with the combination of shrooms and sex, but eventually I decided to completely separate the two. Now if I trip in the presence of a woman (which unfortunately isn't that often) I make it clear beforehand that I'll not be available sexually, at least not during the first four hours.

I dig what was mentioned in the podcast, namely two human beings becoming one entity in a loving psychedelic embrace, something also described by Terence McKenna in Exploring Hyperspace Together, a video I made a while ago.

But there seems to be some degree of contradiction in rubbing two bodies together as in the act of sex, while under the influence of a substance which has the potential of taking us far beyond this body. Especially masturbation, as described by xochipilli2012, would be wasting an opportunity to transcend and experience divine ecstasy, instead exposing one's expanded awareness and heightened sensitivity to porn.

Since this podcast discussed so many forms of sexuality I personally have no affinity with (BDSM etc.), I wondered if in a future podcast you could touch on the subject of sex and psychedelics again, but this time discussing things like sexual abstinence, love, tantric lovemaking etc. Terence often described Iboga as a unique aphrodisiac. Maybe that could be researched and discussed in a future podcast as well, or take the many stories told by Christian Rätch about the aphrodisiac qualitities of cannabis, and subpsychedelic doses of shrooms and other herbs (as in Plants Of Love, The History of Aphrodisiacs and A Guide to Their Identification and Use).

Another question: Though in Amsterdam most people understand English pretty well, there are still many Dutch people whose grasp of English is limited, especially when it comes to technical matters such as psychedelics, transcendence, anthropology, chemistry, the Egodeath Theory of Religion etc.

Therefore I thought of beginning a Dutch podcast, but what I understood from some of your first podcasts with KMO it's not that easy to set one up. Would you like to meet up with me and some other psychonauts (some of whom could even sponsor the project) in Amsterdam to discuss the possibility of setting up a Dutch podcast?

 

[HeartCore]

tantric lovemaking etc..

Interestingly some scholars are convinced that tantra was actually developed by people ON some entheogen.