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Dont get me wrong, i like certain idm and ambient, and also hate certain psychill and psytrance. Its not about taste, its just that as soon people say the word music u come with the same acts again and again long list, dubbelpost, thats what makes me bored :wink:

i really would like to see u posting something different exept for one traditional song here and there, cause i am interested in your taste, but i always get to see only one side of it
 

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I am also intrested in your taste so keep posting stuff.
People can figure out for themselves what they like and what they don't.

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Look guys, you could do this till Easter and Pentacoste fall on the same day, but it has no use.

It's clear that Ocche is also open to "other tripping music" then just psy-chill, otherwise he wouldn't have mentioned Amon Tobin.

One man saying psychill sucks or is cliché and the other saying ambient and electronica sucks or is boring is the same thing.

There's so much music out there and it definitely needs to be shared.
I bet people love the tips Jeniger is giving as much as people love the tips Magickmumu is giving

So if you're having a hard time with eachothers recommendations,
just ignore.

It's all electronica and it's all love and yadayadayada fluffy care bear stuff and what not
We're supposed to be fucking hippies!!
 

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I'm going to take this thread even further off-topic by sharing with you something I read in the train this morning. I hope you find it interesting. A question to magickmumu or anyone else familiar with the work of Steve Roach and Alio Die: which albums or songs would you say fits the five categories of music described at the end of this citation?

I think Eleusian Lullaby by Alio Die would qualify as (4) heart music or (5) meditative music, whereas Trance Spirits by Steve Roach (who's known to the author) would definitely qualify as (2) trance-inducing music.

The Therapeutic Potential of Music

by Stanislav Grof

In holotropic breathwork, the consciousness-expanding effect of
breath is combined with evocative music. Like breathing, music and other
forms of sound technology have been used for millennia as powerful tools
in ritual and spiritual practice. Monotonous drumming, rattling, chanting,
instrumental music, and other forms of sound-producing techniques have
long represented the principle tools of shamans in many different parts of
the world. Many preindustrial cultures have developed quite independently
drumming rhythms that in laboratory experiments have remarkable effect
on the electric activity of the brain (Goldman 1952, Jilek 1974, 1982;
Neher 1961, 1962). The archives of cultural anthropologists contain
countless examples of trance-inducing methods of extraordinary power
combining instrumental music, chanting, and dancing.

In many cultures, sound technology has been used specifically for
healing purposes in the context of intricate ceremonies. The Navajo
healing rituals conducted by trained singers have astounding complexity
that has been compared to that of the scripts of Wagnerian operas. The
trance dance of the !Kung Bushmen of the African Kalahari Desert
combined with extended drumming has enormous healing power, as has
been documented in many anthropological studies and movies (Lee and
DeVore 1976; Katz 1976). The healing potential of the syncretistic
religious rituals of the Caribbean and South America, such as the Cuban
santeria or Brazilian umbanda is recognized by many professionals in
these countries who have traditional Western medical training. Remarkable
instances of emotional and psychosomatic healing occur in the meetings
of Christian groups using music, singing, and dance, such as the Snake
Handlers (Holy Ghost People), and the revivalists or members of the
Pentecostal Church.

Some great spiritual traditions have developed sound technologies
that do not induce just a general trance state, but have a specific effect on
consciousness and the human psyche and body. Thus the Indian teachings
postulate a specific connection between certain acoustic frequencies and
the individual chakras. With systematic use of this knowledge, it is
possible to influence the state of consciousness in a predictable and
desirable way. The ancient Indian tradition called nada yoga or the way to
union through sound has the reputation to maintain, improve, and restore
emotional, psychosomatic, and physical health and well-being.

Examples of extraordinary vocal performances used for ritual,
spiritual, and healing purposes are the multivocal chanting of the Tibetan
Gyotso monks and of the Mongolian and Tuva shamans, the Hindu
bhajans and kirtans, the Santo Daime chants (Ikaros) used in the
ayahuasca ceremonies, the throat music of the Inuit Eskimo people, or the
sacred chants (dhikrs) of various Sufi orders, The above are just a few
examples of the extensive use of instrumental music and chanting for
healing, ritual, and spiritual purposes.

We used music systematically in the program of psychedelic
therapy at the Maryland Psychiatric Research Center in Baltimore,
Maryland, and have learned much about its extraordinary potential for
psychotherapy. Carefully selected music seems to be of particular value in
holotropic states of consciousness, where it has several important
functions. It mobilizes emotions associated with repressed memories,
brings them to the surface, and facilitates their expression. It helps to open
the door into the unconscious, intensifies and deepens the therapeutic
process, and provides a meaningful context for the experience. The
continuous flow of music creates a carrier wave that helps the subject
move through difficult experiences and impasses, overcome psychological
defenses, surrender, and let go. In holotropic breathwork sessions, which
are usually conducted in groups, music has an additional function: it
masks the noises made by the participants and weaves them into a
dynamic esthetic gestalt.

To use music as a catalyst for deep self-exploration and
experiential work, it is necessary to learn a new way of listening to music
and relating to it that is alien to our culture. In the West, we employ music
frequently as an acoustic background that has little emotional relevance.
Typical examples would be use of popular music in cocktail parties or
piped music (muzak) in shopping areas and workspaces. A different
approach used by sophisticated audiences is the disciplined and attentive
listening to music in theaters and concert halls. The dynamic and elemental
way of using music characteristic of rock concerts comes closer to the
use of music in holotropic breathwork. However, the attention of
participants in such events is usually extroverted and the experience lacks
an element that is essential in holotropic therapy or self-exploration -
sustained focused introspection.

In holotropic therapy, it is essential to surrender completely to the
flow of music, let it resonate in one's entire body, and respond to it in a
spontaneous and elemental fashion. This includes manifestations that
would be unthinkable in a concert hall, where even crying or coughing is
seen as a disturbance and causes annoyance and embarrassment. In
holotropic work, one has to give full expression to whatever the music is
bringing out, whether it is loud screaming or laughing, baby talk, animal
noises, shamanic chanting, or talking in tongues. It is also important not to
control any physical impulses, such as bizarre grimacing, sensual
movements of the pelvis, violent shaking, or intense contortions of the
entire body. Naturally, there are exceptions to this rule; destructive
behavior directed toward oneself, others, and the physical environment is
not permissible.

We also encourage participants to suspend any intellectual activity,
such as trying to guess the composer of the music or the culture from
which the music comes. Other ways of avoiding the emotional impact of
the music involve engaging one's professional expertise - judging the
performance of the orchestra, guessing which instruments are playing,
and criticizing the technical quality of the recording or of the music
equipment in the room. When we can avoid these pitfalls, music can
become a very powerful tool for inducing and supporting holotropic states
of consciousness. For this purpose, the music has to be of superior
echnical quality and sufficient volume to drive the experience. The
combination of music with faster breathing has a remarkable mind-
manifesting and consciousnes-expanding power.

As far as the specific choice of music is concerned, we will outline
here only the general principles and give a few suggestions based on our
experience. After a certain time, each therapist or therapeutic team
develops a list of their favorite pieces for various stages of the sessions.
The basic rule is to respond sensitively to the phase, intensity, and content
of the participants' experience, rather than trying to program it. This is in
congruence with the general philosophy of holotropic therapy, particularly
the deep respect for the wisdom of the inner healer, for the collective
unconscious, and for the autonomy and spontaneity of the healing
process.

In general, it is important to use music that is intense, evocative,
and conducive to a positive experience. We try to avoid selections that are
jarring, dissonant, and anxiety - provoking. Preference should be given to
music of high artistic quality that is not well known and has little concrete
content. One should avoid playing songs and other vocal pieces in
languages known to the participants, which would through their verbal
content convey a specific message or suggest a specific theme. When
vocal compositions are used, they should be in foreign languages so that
the human voice is perceived just as another musical instrument. For the
same reason, it is preferable to avoid pieces, which evoke specific
intellectual associations and tend to program the content of the session,
such as Wagner’s or Mendelssohn-Bartholdy’s wedding marches and
overtures to Bizet’s Carmen or Verdi’s Aida.

The session typically begins with activating music that is dynamic,
flowing, and emotionally uplifting and reassuring. As the session
continues, the music gradually increases in intensity and moves to
powerful rhythmic pieces, preferably drawn from ritual and spiritual
traditions of various native cultures. Although many of these
performances can be aesthetically pleasing, the main purpose of the human
groups that developed them is not entertainment, but induction of
holotropic experiences. An example here could be the dance of the
whirling dervishes accompanied by beautiful music and chants. It is not
designed to be admired, but to take people to the experience of God.

About an hour and a half into the session of holotropic breathwork,
when the experience typically culminates, we introduce what we call
“breakthrough music.
 

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Nice input caduceus, do u have more information in that direction?
 

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Well, once thing is for sure..there's a few tracks worth the time here :D I'll probably give em some more time once Lucy is here :)

And Caduceus, seems like an interesting topic..I will read it soon, but gotta work now! (Once I start getting too much into the forum, I always get no work done.. I'm a programmer and work from home ..so its so easy to do nothing lol)

On another note.. new Shpongle Album soon! FINALLY! Here's the news item from twisted.com:

May 22, 2009
Shpongle ‘Ineffable Mysteries From Shpongleland’ (TWSCD36)

TWSCD36_final.jpg

Here is a preview of the new Shpongle Album cover artwork.
 

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i am curious as hellll, i hope its better then the last one they made, i thought it was a bit too "commercial" here an there
 

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OMG, it's really gonna happen, the new Shpongle album!

I liked "Nothing Lasts" very much, it's a very intricate work of art. Layers upon layers upon layers...

:rolleyes:

I think I'll listen to the new album two or three times, and then save it for a medium dose mushroom trip, or hippy flip.
 

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This thread is actually really good, because I read about Bluetech in the first post, listened to some of their stuff and really liked it - and in the course of searching for Bluetech I found this guy called Hol Baumann.

Listen and enjoy:

Hol Baumann - One Step Behind

Hol Baumann - A Forgotten Ritual

His album was in a torrent https://isohunt.com/download/47325689/d ... vd.torrent
that contains like all of Simon Posford's stuff plus other nice albums. It's a bit huge and doesn't have many seeds, but eventually it will download (and you can de-select albums that you already have in your torrent program, then you don't have to d/L it all)
 

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Caduceus Mercurius a dit:
OMG, it's really gonna happen, the new Shpongle album!
I'm so excited also!!

Caduceus Mercurius a dit:
I liked "Nothing Lasts" very much, it's a very intricate work of art. Layers upon layers upon layers...

That's what I think. It is one of their best albums, I think. Well, they don't have one best album, they only have three best albums yet ;)

...but Shnitzel'd in the Negev, as the climax of the first half of the album (with all the on-going basslines and melodies throughout the first couple tracks) has more than once given me a brain orgasm.
At around 2:50 into the track the piano starts playing, and then there's this sound that I call the "dancing firefly" at 3:56 that really takes me off my feet every time. A similar sound is playing the melody line before, but that is just foreplay!
It's best received if you listen to all the tracks before while tripping, because then this part will suddenly wake you up and make your hair stand up.
for those of you who don't know it.

It that's commercial, then I love commercial ;)
 

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Great, I'm glad this thread helped some people discover some music they like! That was its purpose anyway ^^ I love sharing this music :)

You know what tryptonaut.. I had Hol Baumann in my music folder (I've already downloaded this psybient dvd) but never listened to em, and they seem worth the exploration :D

As I am the self-proclaimed king of torrents.. I decided to post some links with good seeds:

This "psybient" collection comes in 4 DVDs, and here are the links:

DVD 1: Complete Simon Posford discography (Celtic Cross, Dub Trees, Eclipse, Hallucinogen, Shpongle, TIP, Younger Brother)
http://btjunkie.org/torrent/psybient-DV ... c92cf87567

DVD 2: Ott, Entheogenic, Bluetech, Shulman, Youth, Hol Baumann, Backroom Beats, Liquid Dub
http://btjunkie.org/torrent/psybient-DV ... bd6fed8953

DVD3: Aes Dana, Androcell, Capsula, CBL, Easily Embarrassed, Kick Bong Sync24, Tripswitch
http://btjunkie.org/torrent/psybient-DV ... 2b3a98a83a

DVD4(not too many seeds though): Kuba, Makyo, Matt Hillier, Omnimotion, Solar Fields, The Kumba Mela Experiment, Zero Cult Ish
http://www.mininova.org/det/1941396

And here is the link for the torrent that tryptonaut proposed(with more seeds). But, if you download the other 3 above, this one only has Raja Ram that is not in the others (and Backroom Beats, Spiritual Worlds under Various Artists folder)
http://btjunkie.org/torrent/Double-psyb ... 6a14141788

I have downloaded the first 3 DVD's and most of the artists in there are amazing! As for the 4th one, I haven't downloaded it but I am familiar with "Solar Fields" they have great sounds, very space-like (hence the name) so I will download it :)

PS: Your best friends when it comes to P2P torrents are www.mininova.org, www.thepiratebay.org, and www.btjunkie.org

P.L.U.R guys, and I'm glad to help you with your music expansion!!
 

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ochho a dit:
And here is the link for the torrent that tryptonaut proposed(with more seeds). But, if you download the other 3 above, this one only has Raja Ram that is not in the others (and Backroom Beats, Spiritual Worlds under Various Artists folder)
http://btjunkie.org/torrent/Double-psyb ... 6a14141788

I just loaded the trackers from your link, but unfortunately it didn't give me any more seeds/peers. It's still 2/7 and the remaining few percent of the files are awfully slow. The first 85% were down in a day though (I think it had quite more seeds when I started it 3 days ago)

I'm mostly using isohunt, because it supposedly searches mininova and piratebay. I'm not sure about btjunkie though. The links from btjunkie seem pretty good for the psybient DVDs and I didn't get them on isohunt.

AND I need to mention that I buy albums that I really like because the small labels need the money. For example I'm going to buy the new Shpongle album when it's out.
 

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I can reccomend everyone in the search for psy/electronic music to get dc+ and connect to the psychedelic magic hub,afther u have registered u can instantly download every new/ and a lot of old releases. The only fact is that they only let u in if u have really good sorted share with only sfv checked folders and a min share of 5 gb.

hubadress:
dchub://psymagiic.no-ip.org
this paradise holds 30TB! of psychedelic/electronic music
if anyone needs help pm me


and occho, happy u like it :p around every month i will be bringin out new mixes on the podcast.

another great music podast with psy/chillout music is:
http://margherita.podomatic.com/
 

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ochho a dit:
This "psybient" collection comes in 4 DVDs, and here are the links:
After downloading that, what programs do you need to open them? Is it easy to convert the tracks to mp3?
 

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Caduceus Mercurius a dit:
ochho a dit:
This "psybient" collection comes in 4 DVDs, and here are the links:
After downloading that, what programs do you need to open them? Is it easy to convert the tracks to mp3?

These are mp3s already, you don't need to convert anything.
You download the torrent file (this is just a few hundred k) and open it in a torrent program like utorrent. The program then downloads a whole folder structure with different albums, you can see the files and filepaths in your torrent program as soon as you start downloading. Now you can also de-select files that you don't want, and they just won't download.
 

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Jeniger a dit:
I can reccomend everyone in the search for psy/electronic music to get dc+ and connect to the psychedelic magic hub

Is that Direct Connect? I've been using that a lot like 8-10 years ago when I was being hooked up with 100Mbit to a university backbone.
DC+ didn't make any sense if you didn't have a fast upload, because all the good servers (the Swedish ones) wouldn't even let you in if you didn't have 2Mbit+ upload or so.

It's so funny, in Sweden like every social housing has 100Mbit connections these days, while here we only get these crappy Adsl connections that have up to 30 Mbit download, but the upload is capped to a maximum of 1 or 2 mbit (if you're lucky! In my area, which is the middle of a city, I can only get 1mbit upload!)
I wouldn't really need more than 10Mbit download I guess, but I'd really like to have 10Mbit upload as well, and that is not possible unless I move to Scandinavia or pay thousands of bucks per month for a dedicated line.
 

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There are no rulez in the hub related to your upload speed. Anyone can join. Indeed this is direct connect.

I have the same thing happening over here, download 20Mb but upload 1MB, There a a few bots dedicated to upload every new album that comes out, sorted by date, wich go over 20mb if u have a good connection , its amazing :D
 
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