Phalaris arundinacea ayahuasca (and MAOI alternatives)

[phantasos]

hi guys, this is my first post (so go easy on me if a post already exists on this or somthing )

anyway, so yesterday i tried to boil up my first ayahuasca experience and it fail tremendusly i got a little light headed but still a complete failure (light headed is probably just the weed i smoked).

so now im curieus if i can make ayahuasca (or the closist posible resemblance) with Phalaris arundinacea. if u can (this is a big if we are talking about) then i would also need a MAOI to go with my grass but i dont have any.

ok so really there are three questions i would like to pose.

the first, is there a MAOI substitute (like in plant or even nutmeg extract or somthing else thats maybe a little less dramatic) that grows or is found easily in the uk. (really its not the end of the world, i can always just buy some MAOI's its just more fun to be totally inderpendant)

the second question, can ayahuasca really be make with Phalaris arundinacea? and/or is there a easir way (or anyway for that matter) of extracting the DMT from Phalaris arundinacea opsosed to the chemical method (that takes a long time for little yeild), i've read so many contradictory anwsers to this question its frustrating. there is also the "weetgrass juicer" method, does that work well enough to smoke? i was told by this site: http://www.azarius.net/smartshop/psyche ... undinacea/
that u can use Phalaris arundinacea to make ayahuasca.

so the third question, has anyone acualy got DMT from Phalaris arundinacea (to a pure enough state to smoke) if so, how?

thanx in advance

 

[GOD]

Welcome to the forum phantasos ,

Phalaris grass has DMT in it but one doesnt know how much is in what one has . The content is variable .

If you havent bought the seeds from a reliable source like Azarius and grow them , or have a very good botanist to identify wild Phalaris you dont know what you have .

If you have a little money you can buy other DMT containing plants / plant parts from that source to . They are very easy to extract / use .

If you go to a sihk / indian shop / asia shop you can usualy buy Peganum Harmala wich can be used to activate oraly taken DMT . Dont ask for it in that name though and dont tell them what you want it for . They call it es-spant , es-spand , spant or spand . The seeds are small and black . sometimes dark red blackabout the size of sesamy seeds . They arre used as incense and cost about 3 quid for 250 grams . 3 grams is used to activate DMR oraly .

If you have more questions please ask , there are loads of people here who have loads of experience .

 

[phantasos]

thanx for the information and im glad ur so willing to help but im still curieus to see if anyone has got DMT out of this plant (to a purity that can be smoked) and how?

 

[IJesusChrist]

I have tried ayahuasca phalaris a few times, the problem is the content is variable to the time of year and the rain fall. people say drought + flooding will make DMT content high.

The thing you can do here is gather pounds (10 lbs) of the stuff, and continually cut it up. I HIGHLY HIGHLY recommend you get a wheat grass extractor. these are around 80 bucks for a good one.

You simply put the stuff in, extract all the juice you can, which will be almost nothing. You want alot of this. Alot alot.

Thats the first problem (getting the extractor and 10lbs of grass).

The second problem is since we dont know the content, be careful with what you injest. The amount is going to possibly do nothing, or it could put you in a mimosa-trip from the amazon, no way to tell from looking at the plant.

My advice is to take about 500 grams of the stuff, extract all of it, drink it + your maoi. If you feel anything congrats, up it a little bit, by 500 grams each interval. (The stuff is very dilute).

My problem was I never got an extractor and I was using scissors. this = bruised thumbs with phalaris, the stuff is very stiff.

Tell me what you decide to do!
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EDIT: DMT can either be extracted by simply doing boiling extraction over and over and over and over and over, 10+ time, with 10+ lbs, and you will be left with a ~400 gram goop of shit that you can smoke after you dry it out (it won't be crystals of course)

Or you have to do the AB extraction which is actually very simple. Basically add acid, add naptha to take fats out, add NaOH, (all very diluted) and you get O.K. crystals.

 

[Meduzz]

Some phalaris species contain the poisonous alkaloid gramine. So do some good research.

 

[phantasos]

wow kool, thanx guys u've been a great help i'll post when i've acualy done somthing. i might just experiment for a while but in the meen time thnax XD

 

[Ultima]

hey! i highly reccommend using mimosa hostilis with some syrian rue/caapii. with the mimosa you can do a pretty simple extraction without having to defat the end product.

the ingredients youll need are a non aluminum pot, mimosa, white vinegar, NaOh, and some ronsonol lighter fluid.

 

[GOD]

I agree with that . Why take a gamble with Phalaris when you can be sure with other sources .

 

[phantasos]

well i was hoping to grow large quantities of this type of plant because it is the easiest in the UK, unlike mimosa you would need a tropical climate, well thats what i've been told anyway.

 

[GOD]

The problem with growing it is that the plants are small and the content is variable . You dont know whats in each plant so it would have to be a bulk extraction to make sure you got enough DMT .

Buying plant parts with DMT in them is in the end easyer , quicker and cheeper than growing Phalaris grass .

 

[IJesusChrist]

The problem with growing it is that the plants are small and the content is variable . You dont know whats in each plant so it would have to be a bulk extraction to make sure you got enough DMT .

Buying plant parts with DMT in them is in the end easyer , quicker and cheeper than growing Phalaris grass .

not cheaper.

 

[GOD]

Do you know how long it takes to grow Phalaris grass and how much work it is ? Time is money......

 

[endlessness]

you dont need tropical climate for mimosa.. it is not from the amazon, it is from the northeast brazil, a dry a warm area..... from UK to northeast brazil is quite a difference but its worth a try I guess, mimosa is known to be a very tough plant.

and yes many phalaris have gramine, which is toxic, so be very careful. I would avoid it altogether unless you are sure of what you are doing.

 

[IJesusChrist]

Do you know how long it takes to grow Phalaris grass and how much work it is ? Time is money......

Let me show you a picture of what could be my backyard!

This is all phalaris arundicae grass

 

[Mr.Smith]

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[GOD]

Its a very hardy plant but it cant take frost . In my experience its also hard getting it past the seedling stage in northern Europe .

Showing us a field full of plants , some of wich might be Phalaris grass isnt proof thatb it is Phalaris grass or that if it is it has much / any DMT in it . It also doesnt show anyone if there is Gramine in it or if there is how much . Your still forgeting the work and the time for harvesting and extracting . Then theres the costs .