observations on marsofold extraction and crystals

[acim2]

I attached an image of a few piles of crystals. (log in in to see)

Background:
#1 is from extraction 1, and all others are different grades from a second extraction. Both were done about half batches (~200gm mimosa hostilis) of Marsofold extract. They were done with root bark from the same vendor. Extraction 1 just had one naptha pull, Extraction 2 had three. (This was all done by a distant friend of mine, named He.)

Different Piles:
1: remainder of extraction 1 (what we didn't consume already). Very white crystal-like flaky. The pile there weighs only ~95mg.

5: first naptha draw, extraction 2. This was lightly scrapped from the pan after drying. Whitest of extraction 2. Much more powdery than pile 1. ~500mg.

2: first naptha draw, extraction 2. This was caught in filter paper pouring off tray from first naptha pull. Pretty white. Much more powdery. That pile weights about ~375mg.

3: second draw, extraction 2. Caught in filter paper when pouring off, not much left in pan but small amount of very yellow crystals (not shown). This pile was washed, although it didn't seem to change color much. ~400mg.

4: third draw, extraction 2. Caught in filter paper when pouring off jars. He used three baby food jars since he didn't have any more glass sheets to use. These were also washed with chilled ammonia.

Results:
Extraction 1 clearly produced much less dense, crystal-like, bright white product. Extraction 2 produced various grades (whiteness) of much more dense more powdery product.

Differences in Extractions:
The main difference is that for extraction 1, much more lye. Almost as much as much as was suggested for a full batch. He used volume to measure lye, but used the exact brand mentioned in the tek. He did not have any pH tester.

He also made the freezer a little bit colder for extraction 2.

The main blunder scientifically is that he re-used some of the naptha from the first extraction for the 2nd and 3rd draws on extraction 2. So, it's possible (and likely) that there was some level of DMT that didn't precipitate in extraction 1.

What does this mean:
So, there's really not a scientific way to analyze it since there were too many variables, but leads to some hypotheses.

It seems most likely that adding extra lye before doing the naptha pull may make a more crystally, lighter product. (It looks more refined, but it's difficult to compare DMT content.)

If not that, then a slightly less cold freezer may help make the product lighter and apparently more refined.

It definitely seems like a good idea to do multiple naptha pulls. At least 3. He probably lost a lot in extraction 1 since he only did one pull. If you do full batches or bigger, then multiple extractions are even more important.

Sorry it's not more scientific. If there is any definitive conclutions from future extractions, I will post them.

 

[bloodbrother778]

How much fresh mhrb did He use and what was your final yield?

Someone who just recently used marsifolds tek on a pound of powdered mhrb obtained nearly 2 grams of pure white dmt, 2 extractions were performed on the bark, i.e. the root bark went through 2 cycle of boiling/adding naoh and naptha washes. 2 naptha washes were used in both extractions. First extraction yielded about 1.3 grams, second one yielded about .6. The final naptha was evaporated down to a smaller volume and put back in the freezer, but the yields seem to be minimal. Final product was a little bit less in quantity than expected, but still very satisfactory. It is suspected that the reason the yield was a little bit decreased because during the first extraction the naptha was not hot when mixed with the mhrb/naoh solution.

Two conclusions came out of this: One is that DMT dissolves better in hot naptha, which isn't mentioned in marsifold's tek. To heat your naptha just bathe the naptha container in some hot water (Don't use a stove lol as naptha is highly flammable). Second conclusion is that the naptha really doesn't have to say in the mhrb/naoh solution for long, really once it separates from the solution its ready to be collected, which takes like 10 minutes, leave it for 30 min to an hour just to be sure. Also the final product will be ready to collect in about 2 days instead of 3. Super saturating the naptha (evaping it down to about 50 ml by just leaving it out with a fan blowing over it) may make that time even shorter, however that was not done with this extraction.

 

[acim2]

He had a little less than 1/2 pound, roughly 200gm or mimosa. They yield was a little over a gram the second time. (First time, didn't weigh it all, but probably less....it looked the same volume, but now that I weighted some, it was probably more like 1/2 gram.)

For second time, he did three acid (vinegar) extracts, combined, and then added lye once. The naptha was used 3 times on the same base mimosa juice.

He did heat the naptha and the mimosa juice in warm water....not as warm as it could have been though. He heated both because he figured that once the naptha hit the mimosa juice the mimosa juice would cool the naptha quickly. Like, if you have 200ml of cool water and add 20ml of hot water, it will be pretty cool after a few tilts.....so he figured the same would happen with the naptha. (The juice was hot the first time because of the lye, but after that it cooled to room temp, so heating was necessary.)

He's also under the impression that the 15 minutes of tilting is the only time that the naptha is actually extracting from the mimosa juice. The 3 hour wait after that it to just make sure there's no lye solution floating around in the naptha that might precipitate with the DMT. (This is more based on paranoia than any knowledge. I don't know that lye would precipitate.) He may have waited less than 3 on some, more on others...but at least 2 hours.

It's kind of interesting talking about these pretty incredible substances in a scientific way...it is literally what dreams are made of......extracting your own is almost like stretching your own canvas. It gives you time to think about the trips/paintings while you are doing the prep work and can make for a much more fulfilling result.

 

[Brewmaster]

I love the canvas-stretching analogy; I feel the same way about my art and my DMT.

And yes, hot naptha holds more. The same way more sugar will dissolve in warm water than cold.

I've been doing my extractions while everything is still hot from the lye/water reaction and I heat the naptha to 140 degrees. And it's essential to have a very cold freezer. Crank that thing all the way up. If your ice cream is still soft and not frozen solid, then it aint cold enough.

More DMT will continue to precipitate out at colder and colder temperatures.