Newbie Extract questions

[Psyolopher]

Well first of all!
Which ones am i after?
the NN-DMT or the 5-MeO-DMT?

second of all, is this source trustable?
http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/dmt/ext ... ide1.shtml

THIRD of all, since i wont ever get to buy it here in Iceland!
Is the process hard and do i need to be accurate?

this seems all so hard!
Never done anything like this before, so i wonder if its worth it!
and yeah, im still considering this!

 

[Psyolopher]

oh where can i get Lye, Muriatic acid, Naphtha, Evaporating dish, Glass pipette and Distilled water????
what kind of stores sells all of this?

Seems so hard to obtain!

 

[Psyolopher]

Maybe i should just give up!
Seems like to much of work for me!

 

[druglessdouglas]

there are always workarounds.
naptha- lighter fluid
caustic soda you can buy at a chemist/pharmacy. tell them you wish to make soap. hardware stores sell it also
improvise the rest

 

[GOD]

There are other easyer and better methods . If i were you i would forget that one and find another . Look here :-

www.dmt-nexus.com/webackup/files2.htm

 

[Jahvisions]

The method of the link is pretty good except the pH of basifying is to low, I go up to pH 13. (I believe should should go at least go till pH 11)

To get NN-DMT or the 5-MeO-DMT depends on the source(plant) you use. (this is also in the same link).
"For our experiment we will be using Mimosa hostilis root-bark to provide a very pure product of NN-DMT without the over powering influence of 5-MeO-DMT or the negative side effects of 5-OH-DMT."

 

[GOD]

The PH they recomend for the acid part is to low . PH 4 is better . The whole acid part can be left out . All you need is a strong alkali to get your product up to PH 13 and then extract with a petrol product .

The site i posted is the best i`ve found . Its full of people who do it , can explain and they are looking for good methods . If you take a look and have a good read i`m sure you will get something good out of it .

 

[Meduzz]

The PH they recomend for the acid part is to low . PH 4 is better . The whole acid part can be left out . All you need is a strong alkali to get your product up to PH 13 and then extract with a petrol product .

Well there is some stuff in the plant that will also go to the apolar (petrol) fase. If you use the acidic step your DMT won't migrate to the apolar fase because it's protonated, and the junk will. Thus giving a more pure product.

Edit: If you don't use the acid part the alkaloids are more likely to stay in the plant matter because they have apolar fases there too. You have to get them protonated so they dissolve in water.

 

[GOD]

The answers to all your questions are here :-

www.dmt-nexus.com/webackup/files2.htm

 

[GOD]

If we are in a place where we cant get chemicals easily we should use a method where we need as few as posible . Using an acid water extraction causes the fats to separate wich then float on top and also form an emulsion layer on top of that . That means one has to use LOADS of naptha to wash the fats off at least several times .

 

[Meduzz]

Thanks GOD for the info on skipping the acid part. I've done some thinking and it now seems to make sense. I only have theoretical experience on the subject you know

I have to get myself some mimosa soon

 

[Meduzz]

However! The more acidic the water around the plant material, the more alkaloids will want to come out. So I THINK it's best to use acidic conditions but not try to separate the fat layer from the water but directly put a layer of naphta on it and get basic
Even if it's lemon juice you use. So availability should be no problem.

 

[GOD]

I was very confused when i first tried to extract DMT because there is so much information going around on diferent methods . I tried several and for me the easyest was straight to base and then into petrol product .

What amount of DMT does an A/B extraction or just a B extraction extract ? Whats the difference in harvest , time and expenses ? Once the fat layer is separated by the acid it doesnt go back into solution properly with the water when you mix that with base . Wich would mean that you still have to wash the fat off or acept a reduced harvest . If you use a liquid base you also make your solution much weaker because the volume is more . You can also have problems mixing a PH 4 acid solution with a strongly alkaline solution . You also need much more Alkaline substance .

 

[Meduzz]

There is to few basic information and to many recipies. It all comes down to the fact that alkaloids can be polar or non polar depending on pH. And most of the junk stays the same. So things that don't migrate are not alkaloids and can be thrown away.

Straight to base leads to apolar junk also being in the naphta along with your freebase DMT (nrmly the acid step takes care of these junk molecules). I don't know how this affects chrystalisation.

Straight to base doesn't work good with mescaline, as the freebase doesn't crystalize and the fats can't be separated from it.

Again this is all theoretically.

"If you use a liquid base you also make your solution much weaker because the volume is more"
Yes, but the alkaloid concentration is lowered with the same factor. So the ratio's of the compounds in the solution to one another don't change.
Also it's better to predissolve your NaOH pellets, because the dissolvation reaction is exothermic. You don't want to hurt your spice or yourself...

 

[GOD]

Your last two sentances say what i am saying . = A quantity of water / base solution with DMT in it plus enough base / water solution to bring the PH up to 13 = VERY much volume of solution = its much harder to handle and takes much more petrol product to extract . Plus that solution has a smaller percentage of DMT in it meaning you have to do the petrol product extraction part many more times to get it out. Then you have much more petrol product to evaporate , with all the problems that brings with it . The smaller your water / DMT solution is the easyer it is to extract with your petrol product , the easyer it is to handle , the less chemicals you need , the less it costs and the shorter time you need to do the whole process .

What extra plant parts / chemicals come through a straight base extraction and not through an acid / base extraction that weaken the end product ? Does washing the end product with amonia solution get rid of them ? If there are unwanted products in the end product wouldnt it make sense to recrystalise after doing an A / B extraction on the end product ?

I dont know which extraction method is the most eficient . I do know wich is faster , easyer , safer and cheeper .

 

[Jahvisions]

I used a pH a solution of pH-2 but then the mix should get a little higher. For 250g M. Hostilis I used 3*1,5 L, cooked it down until 0.5 L. I dont know the solution lye I used ( I guess 100g/L). I expected to end up with 1 L but it was even less.

Everyone has his favorite methods but my goal is to get a pure product. I only smoke clear/white crystals. Can't believe the yellow/dirty shit people smoke, with oils, fats and other contaminations. It's much healthier and also smokes a lot more pleasent.

Don't wash with ammonia, just was your polair layer first with non-polair solution, later was your non-polair layer with a polair solution. Do a freeze-precipation( cool slowly, from 55 0C till roomtemp, then refrigirator then freezer.) the solution what is left evaporate very, very, very slowly

 

[Psyolopher]

Thanks for answers, im still not sure if i want to go through with this!
(and thanks for the link God)

But just a question, isnt this forum crawling with police?

 

[GOD]

"But just a question, isnt this forum crawling with police?"

All drug forums are crawling with strange peoplle .

 

[BrainEater]

But just a question, isnt this forum crawling with police?

If there were police in this forum, and we knew it, we should rather make a banner which would say "watch out, police crawling around".


peace :weedman:

 

[Bastiaan]

If you use a liquid base you also make your solution much weaker because the volume is more .

I'm confused
Are you suggesting on basidifying the liquid by adding natriumhydroxide straight to it? :S
I just used 100 to 150ml of hot water to wich I added it, then added it to the liquid