Need advice on first time ayahu

[ramdass7]

Just got 20 grams each of both the bark and the leaves.. psy... and barna... dont have the names down..

but anyway, the instructions said to boil down both then mix them??- do they melt into the boiling water?- and also, how much water do you put?-

need advice...

 

[GOD]

Tell us the names please .

It sounds like not enough to me .

 

[Mr.Smith]

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[GOD]

Thanks .

The quantitys sound to little to me . When i used to make an Ayahuasca analog 25 grams of Psychotria Viridis didnt produce a strong trip or hallucinations . To get that one had to use at least 35 grams . 50 grams was better . The amount of the plant Ayahuasca ( Banisteriopsis Caapi ) that one needs to oraly activate the DMT is reported from diferent sources that i have seen was from 10 grams to 100 grams .

 

[ramdass7]

Yes, Mr smith is right, Psychotria viridis and banisteriopsis caapi - I have 25 grams of each... both vaccuum sealed..

So do I just boil both until they dissapear into the liquid?- and down all of it?- how much liquid must I consume from the brew?

thanks,

 

[GOD]

Did you get any instructions with your order ?

One simmers it , filters it , cooks it down to a drinkable amount = at the most a cup full , and drinks the lot . Get an idea about set and setting first as this one isnt one for doing lightly at partys .

If you want to know anything about it at all just ask , there are loads of people here who can help you .

 

[TiaraMarilyn]

Where the heck do you guy's order the stufff from?? I dont know but on saturday im going with some amily and friends t see a shaman and do the whole Ayahuasca trip thing. See how it goes, but i thought it was illegal.

 

[GOD]

High TiaraMarilyn , welcome to the forum .

We are all interested in how your Ayahuasca experience goes . Please tell us what happens .

 

[ramdass7]

Yes, the instructions were pretty general... no real measurements,, just instructed to boil it - and reboil it... but do i down the leaves and bark as well?- or just the liquid in a cup?? - please advise... yes, ill be doing this with just another person in a private setting,,, ive done research on it- and really want to experience it-- had lots of shroomies before- so i can understand a little on what to expect...

also to answer where,,, you can actually get a kit online... prob. not as potent as a real shaman... but some of the stuff i got from these guys worked well.. google "shamanic extracts" online... discrete packaging.. to be safe, id suggest getting a po box on outer address...

 

[GOD]

Just drink the liquid . What you have , if its enough , is only enough for one person .

 

[Ultima]

cook it 3 times! do NOT BOIL the tea! it will kill alot of the alkaloids. chop up what you have into very small peices (if it isnt already powdered). cook the substances together for about 3 hours. filter the tea, and cook the same substance agian for 3 hours. filter agian, and cook the remaining substance for another 6 hours. filter, and bring the remaining liquid (all 3 amounts) down to about a glass of liquid. if your substances were in a powder form, let the drink sit in the fridge for a couple days. after a couple days you have just created a gravity filter.. which pretty much gets all the remaining particles of extracted plant material all stuck together at the bottom. (you can easily seperate the liquid from the plant material now)

to help extract the dmt, i personally like to use white vinegar, but some people on the forum say that the vinegar will give you other feelings other then the comeup of dmt (i have never experienced this).

let us know how your trip goes!

 

[ramdass7]

Thanks,, but again, this may be a dumb question,, but what s the difference between cooking the two substances and Boiling them?? - dont I place both substances in water... on heat? - isnt cooking the same as boiling?- what do you mean by cooking both of them?

I just cant get the picture in my head... so after extracting the liquid after the first 3 hours... do I keep that liquid and drink that later... or combine it with the liquid which will be use to reboil the 2 substances??- wish you guys can come over to cook for me.... thanks,,,

 

[GOD]

Mix the three products of cooking it , filter it through some cloth , simmer it down and drink it .

Boiling is when you heat the water as much as posible , simmering it is when you heat it till you get little bubles on the sides of the pan . To much boiling kills it .

 

[Ultima]

+1

boiling and simmering is just two different temps on the stove.. never boil the contents of ayahausca.. when you bring the pot of tea up in temp, just keep stirring it.. itll start to steam pretty heavy.. like god said, youll see little bubbles forming at the bottom, you want to keep the pot at about that temperature. but if you see the bubbles getting large you might want to turn the burner down. you can also keep the top on to keep too much evaporation from happening.

hope this helps.. if not just ignore it

 

[aryaman]

I also have a really quick question about first time aya...
how much brew should come out from every wash (Using mimosa in one pot and caapi in the other)?
A good dose is one wash, 2 washes together, 3...?

 

[GOD]

The amount of liquid you get out depends on the amount of water you use and how much you cook it down . The dose is the amount of both plants you put in in the first place and the washes are to get all the drugs out .

So , choose how much of each plant you want to use and either cook them together or seperately in water 3 times and then cook the liquid/s down to half to a whole cup full each and drink them . Either drink them together or drink the MAOL part half an hour to 3/4 of an hour before .

 

[ramdass7]

Ok guys, if you have time- take a look at this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncS5V1uz ... re=related

I get how you mix the 2, then add water and simmer.... then strain..- but what i dont get is how he was able to reduce the amount of liquid from 10 liters... to 1 and half liters... then a 3rd of a liter...

do you just simmer the stuff and allow it to evaporate?? until you get a drinkable amount..? seems like with all the simmering and straining,, youll get a lot of liquid? i plan to use 25grams of each... need your wisdom..

thnks

 

[IJesusChrist]

Here:

1: put your product in a pot, fill the pot to 3/4 full and raise temp to just below boiling.
2:Strain after 30 minutes, every 30 minutes 3 times. You can increase the intervals, or increase the # of times you do it.
3:After you have sufficiently strained it and only have liquid of both plants, let it boil for up to 12 hours. Yes. 12 hours.

Watch it every hour or so, make sure it doesn't boil, and make sure it doesn't lose all the liquid, both will destroy alkaloids.

4/5: Drink. If you smoke weed, smoke a little after ingestion so you don't feel the urge to puke. I sure hope you know about all the MAOI effects, if not make sure you read about maois. Also you can eat something like bread or milk to settle the stomach, all fruits and meats are out of the question!

Be prepared for 4-6 hours of intensity. Make sure you have a bucket if you're inside, water, and maybe some music if you want!

GOOOOOOOOOOOOOODLUCK!

 

[GOD]

10 liters is extrem .

Dont eat anything for 4 hours before you take it . Its better in my experience not to smoke cannabis or take anyother drug before you start to trip . Also in my experience eating anything at all after takeing the brew/s isnt a good idea , at least untill you start to come down . Smokeing cannabis when you have come up can either be absolutely amazing or another reason to puke so be carefull .

Dont worry about pukeing . Its not like pukeing after drinking alcohol . You dont puke youir guts up . Its more a spitting and expelling , you will feel better afterwards . The worst thing about it is the smell .

Have a towel near and either your bed or a sleeping bag so that if you get cold you can get warm again .

 

[Ultima]

hehe.. i dont know about that GOD.. iv had some pretty violent purges on aya.. but you do feel a million times better after you do. i agree with not eating before the trip, but id recommend not eating for at least 12 hours. (stay away from greasy foods, red meats, alcohol, bah. theres a list of foods you need to stay away from. look up on google MAOi information)

pretty much if you can consume too much of something that it can kill you, the maoi will make it happen. for example: alcohol, opiates, asprine if you take too much you will OD.. an MAOi is like tripling whatever you are consuming(in my oppinion).