lsa extract questions

[forest]

hey!

tomorrow some stuff including HBWR seeds will arive at my home. i read some stuff about lsa extractions but wouldn't it be possible to just use 96% alcohol and put the grounded seeds in there for 3 days in a closed yar, then get the seedstuff out, take the lid off en let it stand there till the alcohol evaporates, and then ór drink the littlew bit of water ór put a lamp above it and let the water evaporate and scratch the stuff on the bottom of.

the stuff scraped of the bottom, could you smoke it like dmt or opium? of can you only ingest it?

this is just some idea of mine.... will it work?

 

[HeartCore]

Here's some info that may help:

http://forums.mycotopia.net/showthread.php?t=14053

 

[forest]

that's a great link. now all i have to do is get myself a blacklight..... ^_^

but is it really nesecarry to do the nonpolar stuff, and not only the polar stuff with alcohol?

and can you smoke lsa?

 

[forest]

this is it....in a nutshell for those who do not know what i'm talking about;

Yup. In a nutshell, you mix the HWBR powder in a nonpolar solvent, keep the
>resultant gunk(I) and throw away the solution. Then dissolve the gunk(I)
>into a polar solvent, throw away the new gunk(II) and evaporate the solution.
>The final gunk (III) that comes out of the solution has LSA in it.
>
> gunk(I) = gunk(II) + gunk(III)
> gunk(III) is the good stuff
> gunk(II) is not
> gunk(I+III) are therefore kept
>
>nonpolar solvent = petroleum ether
>polar solvent = alcohol (methanol is better, but is a smidgin poisinous
> so you've got to be damn sure its all evaporated).
>
>I don't have time to give a more detailed explanation than that right
>now.

For the layman: nonpolar solvent also = Zippo lighter fluid. (voor polar kan je alcohol gebruiken of ethanol)

 

[forest]

okay, i'm just making things more difficult then they are....... it's such a simple extraction.....forget what i said....

the only thing i would like to know....if i let all the water evaporate under a lamp, can i smoke the little remaining lsa stuff or would it be distroyed?

 

[Brewmaster]

LSA like LSD like psilocybin are all destroyed by high heat. So yes, you can smoke it but it will do absolutely nothing to you.

Maybe it will at least taste like cherry candy...

 

[HeartCore]

Thats too bad.....

But Forest you got me interested in extracting lsa anyway. I tried nany woodrose seeds once, but I found the body discomfort too much for the depth of the experience. I wonder if extracted lsa is less heavy on the body because if so, I would love to try it.

You know anything about that?

 

[Brewmaster]

I've also been curious about how an LSA extract would work. I've seen these/ tinctures for sale but I think the body load/ heavy / nauseaus feeling is from the LSA itself, not any other chemicals or alkaloids in the plant.

The only reason I say this is because I've tried ( at one point or another ) HBWR, Morning glories and rivea corymbosa; all with the same effects. I would be very interested to hear from someone who has tried an lsa extract but I've pretty much written it off. I'm not paying good money for that mess.

What's a nany woodrose? Is that the same as HBWR?

 

[tryptonaut]

I wonder if extracted lsa is less heavy on the body because if so, I would love to try it.

I tried an extract from 400 Morning Glory seeds. I did a benzene and then vodka extraction (that is 42% alcohol, 58% water), I drank the vodka with it because it wasn't that much (just two or three shots). The trip was nice but it was too weak, could have been at least twice as strong. However the bodyload was already unpleasant, my heart rate was up and I felt some kind of tension. It wasn't bad, but I wouldn't want to have it twice as strong...
My conclusion was that I rather have a nice shroom trip where I don't have to mess with benzene and where I can have a trip 8 times as strong without having a 190 pulse or muscle tension.

 

[forest]

i´ve read of people that are familliar with the extraction and have had great experiances without discomfort at all. the discomfort is not from the lsa but from the stuff you extract with the nonpolar liquid.
i have good trust that it will give you a nice clean LSA trip, but next week my seeds will arrive and i will make a topic on the extraction including a tripreport ^_^

 

[HeartCore]

i´ve read of people that are familliar with the extraction and have had great experiances without discomfort at all. the discomfort is not from the lsa but from the stuff you extract with the nonpolar liquid.
i have good trust that it will give you a nice clean LSA trip, but next week my seeds will arrive and i will make a topic on the extraction including a tripreport ^_^

Cool, really looking forward to read that!

 

[HeartCore]

Here's another interesting topic talking about very intense trip induced by morning glory extract with the complete absence of nausea and bodyload.

This strenghtens my prior feeling, that nausea and bodyload are mainly caused by the compounds that are not psychoactive.

http://forums.mycotopia.net/showthread.php?t=13948

To be continued

 

[Rutger]

Still have some petroleum ether lying around here. My idea was to treat HBW seeds with the PE , then remove the PE and then capsulate the HBW and see if there is any difference in body load and nausia.

The trick is to do then a compairing "study" to see if there nausa and other negative effects are gone. Would be great to have such a product !

What I could find was that there 2 "camps" on the internet, once camp saying that the bad stuff is in soluble in a non polar solvent (like PE) and that you can remove the negative effect.

The other camp says that the stuff is in the core of the seeds and it cannot be removed. I am curious to find out who is right here. Any ideas ?

 

[HeartCore]

Still have some petroleum ether lying around here. My idea was to treat HBW seeds with the PE , then remove the PE and then capsulate the HBW and see if there is any difference in body load and nausia.

The trick is to do then a compairing "study" to see if there nausa and other negative effects are gone. Would be great to have such a product !

What I could find was that there 2 "camps" on the internet, once camp saying that the bad stuff is in soluble in a non polar solvent (like PE) and that you can remove the negative effect.

The other camp says that the stuff is in the core of the seeds and it cannot be removed. I am curious to find out who is right here. Any ideas ?

None yet. I kind of wrote off lsa because I couldnt just handle the body load and nausea (that are inherent with high doses). I've got a bag of heavenly blue seeds which I will germinate and try to grow. So it will be some months untill I can personally try an extraction but hopefully Forest will have some great succes.

 

[Rutger]

Yes I am very interested in his results. Aslo because he extract only with a Polar solvent and I am planning to only use a Non Polar solvent and use the seedpulp (after drying) and capsulate it.

Would be nice If i had some equipment to see what is in the samples. Techniques like TLC (thin layer chromotography) is a good way to see how many (soluble) compounds you have in your solvenst. This way you could see how many compounds are in each extraction layer. But you need more solvents for it and sillica paper to do this. If only I had a lab with the proper setup ! Would be very interesting

 

[forest]

de HBW seeds arrived today, at the end of the week i will do the extraction and gonna trip in the weekend. also desmatus illinois (ofzo) arrived and i will try a dmt extraction on that. will report this weekend.

 

[DevXavier]

Make it a pictorial eh.

Pics are good.

Good luck and happy voyage.