Just a thought, impression.

[st.bot.32]

The era of rationalism has ended. The golden age where science was the shaman in the public eye, tied into corporate research, "Look what they've gone and done now!" and the era of "Look, we landed on the moon!" are history.

This is the era of emotionalism and the era of the ego. Marketing targets our self-esteem, our sexuality, etc etc.

Gone are the days where the forerunners, the shamans of psychedelics were rationalists, who reasoned, but still shared their imaginative insights with us, tempered with a healthy dose of skepticism. And more importantly the public does not like what these figures have to say anyway.

The public is not interested in rational discussion regarding the "responsible use" of psychedelcs. The war on drugs is irrational, it's own worst enemy, and frequently is based on fearmongering and misinformation. If it is to ever end in some way, it will have to be won by means that do not always appear to be rational.

 

[Guest]

i agree with you. this is the era that we are meant to give nice handjobs to everybody's ego, join the party and be real happy, without knowing why. everybody has rights, and no-one has duties.

 

[mutant]

You 're kidding, right?

I am very interested in sensible / responsible use of psychedelics... Does this make me out-of-fashion? Or maybe that I am in the wrong forum?

 

[st.bot.32]

I am as well! But as far as the DEA and anti-drug propaganda is concerned, "responsible use" and "psychedelics" are oxymorons, they just don't go together.

 

[mutant]

You can't really make a decent conversation with authority. I don't even care to be in dialogue with any state bastards.

 

[No-Key]

Science is eating itself with its own tenants.
We are phasing out forms of the word "to be",
and we are realizing the mutable and transient
nature of the Universe which is becoming increasingly
more and more impossible to quantify.

But there was never any age of reason for the common person. There was logic and reason for the wealthy and the learned, but there is something about the mass of proleteriate that makes them at the whim of emotion regardless of education. It's why Plato wanted to throw out all the poets, it's why Socrates ran afoul of the sophists and sparked the intellectual movement which has defined western philosophy and science ever sense, and now we are reaching its end after only 300 or so years of applying it correctly. We are seeing that there is nothing but the indefinable beauty and the only thing that comes from its study is ruin.

 

[mutant]

Beautiful post man

"...There is a theory which states that if anybody ever discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. There is another theory which states that this has already happened..."

Douglas Adams

 

[buffachino]

History stands as a testimony to our transgression;
The myopic tenets of science, the dominion of culture, the corrupt societal propriety of a perceptively inept humanity; all have been persistently focused on the exploitation and domination of those who perpetuate their lineage and those who wish to evolve. We are enslaving ourselves.

The innocent mind has been deceived, enticed by a miasma of greed; the primordial ego warped and embellished with the tractable doctrine of terror and control. The fear of creation, of change, of evolution, consuming all will to discover the unknown, and understand the self. The enigmatic sanctuary of obscurity surrounding those afraid of their true self, constricting to the point of implosion under the burden of ignorance, repression, avarice and delusion.

We can only become free when we stop denying ourselves freedom.
Humanity is a depiction of dependence on that which it aspires to escape.
A consumer of its own destruction;
afraid of its own shadow.

Peace.

 

[tryptonaut]

If it is to ever end in some way, it will have to be won by means that do not always appear to be rational.

Do you have any suggestions on what these means could be?

And by the way I wonder why, if everything is about egoism nowadays, why don't they just give a fuck about what drugs I take?
I think it's all ruled by hidden fascism, the corporate world has taken over the states, and they try to make everyone think they're the greatest with their own ideas and their own way of living - but they're just consuming zombies who do everything they're told to do.

A nice example on a small level: open a club, then restrict people from going in who don't wear the right kind of clothes/shoes/hairstyle. Make it somehow "elitist", but in a way that still almost everyone who really wants to get in can afford it. In a matter of a few months your club will be crowded with people dressing like you told them to, willing to pay more for their drinks for the "honor" to be in your club. And of course they'll all think they're the most extraordinary people (you boosted their ego by allowing them in) while in reality they're only being ripped off...
I always hated clubs where security wants to tell me how to dress. I have categorically avoided these clubs all my life (even if I would have been allowed in)

 

[st.bot.32]

I guess what I'm referring to here is the public eye and the media.

In the mid to mid-late 20th C, science and technology were in some ways like the shamans of our civilization, leading us down new paths. (Even LSD as I understand it at first had a fairly positive public reputation before the 60s.) Nowadays the only thing you ever see "science" doing for you on television is creating new shampoos, you know, where you see the molecules floating in and out of the hair. :lol: Or smart bombs on CNN I guess. But I digress.

The media and the public have no interest in rational discourse about the use of psychedelics. Occasionally a bit of medical research into MDMA or psilocybin leaks into the news (with minimal coverage, they would much rather show cannabis rotting your teeth), but will you ever see all sides represented in the arguments? Rarely if ever. And you can show a doctor advocating medical MJ, you can show a user saying how much they need it for their back pain, but that still isn't enough to convince those who are already self-appointed experts on the subject (or even make them flinch, or think twice).

What seeps into the news is raw emotionalism.

The arguments AGAINST are all purely based on emotion. Someone destroyed his life shooting smack and because he smoked mary jane suddenly everyone blames the mj, nevermind the 30+million other mj users who don't shoot smack. A kid asphyxiates himself, nevermind that he was drunk out of his mind, he took salvia at some point so you know what they blame.

You can't argue rationally with this. Even the act of disagreeing automatically turns you into a demon in their eyes. They have blamed the substance, the drug culture or the caricature of it in any case. Salvia killed my son. You are standing up for Salvia, then you are standing up for the death of my boy.

If psychedelics, even mary jane are ever to be legalized or decriminalized we will have to contend with this rampant illogic. In Canada we are kind of lucky, 17% of Canadians use mj on a regular basis, enough so that even people who don't smoke can see that the average mj user can be a quite normal productive member of society, and not a criminal. (Enter Mr Harping Harpy Harper, that is a different story tho)

I'm really just brainstorming here. I have no magic solutions. But..

Perhaps what we need is to use the same tools back. Rampant emotionalism. Anti-propaganda. "Stephen Harper wants to put 1 in 5 Canadians behind bars." "The government wants me to be in pain and suffer everyday."

etc. etc.

 

[buffachino]

All we need is love.

 

[Dantediv86]

Made you were not to live as brutes
but to follow Knowledge and Virtue

Ulisses in Dante's Inferno

let not love be a means of stopping you from knowing and exploring
let love be a way of knowing

just adding something to your words Buff (i also believe that all you need is Love)

 

[GOD]

"(i also believe that all you need is Love)"

All i need is loads of MONEY , coke , hash , sex , a porsch , a cleaning lady , (with big tits) , a holiday in india , a new liver , a flat screen TV , satalite TV , plastic surgery , more money , a new computer , sex , money , a life , sex , grass , coke , LSD , DMT , tits.....................

 

[Dantediv86]

:roll: that also i can't say i'd say no to that... :lol: