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Is Salvia a Miracle Drug?

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Is Salvia a Miracle Drug?

"Salvia is a totally unique compound, unlike opioids and other hallucinogens," Mendelson says. "We've never seen anything like it before."

Even ten years ago, scientists had paid little attention to salvia. That changed when researchers isolated the active compound in salvia and discovered that it was an extremely powerful short-acting hallucinogen with no known side effects or addictive properties, Mendelson says.

In addition, salvia differs from other psychoactive substances in interacting with specific receptors in the brain that the other drugs don't affect. This unique physiological reaction makes salvia attractive to researchers.

Mendelson says that salvia research could lead to drugs that activate the specific brain receptors engaged by the substance, and block pain without risk of addiction. (Little is currently known about these particular receptors.) Salvia might even help unlock mysteries related to Alzheimer's disease and schizophrenia.

"We have been watching with interest and concern the moving drumbeat toward regulations," says Dr. Roland Griffiths, professor of behavioral biology in the Department of Psychiatry and Behavioral Sciences at Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine.

Griffiths says that criminalizing salvia could hurt research by forcing research labs to follow burdensome regulations similar to those associated with handling cocaine, heroin, and other controlled substances. "We would anticipate that if salvia were scheduled it would increase research costs and place undue red tape on the drug, and delay research," says Griffiths, who is applying for a research grant from the National Institutes of Health to study the effects of salvia on humans.

Other proposals by medical researchers seeking NIH funding would study salvia in connection with drug dependency, HIV, hepatitis B and C, and depression.
 
The whole thing is total crap . The guy is fishing for money so he can play games . There are no facts in the whole of what is said about benefits to society and medicine just cheap and nasty references to maybe it being a help for major health issues in the world with news of the world type hints of a cure for AIDS and Alzheimers . Its pure propoganda , scare tactics and greed .
 
GOD a dit:
The whole thing is total crap . The guy is fishing for money so he can play games . There are no facts in the whole of what is said about benefits to society and medicine just cheap and nasty references to maybe it being a help for major health issues in the world with news of the world type hints of a cure for AIDS and Alzheimers . Its pure propoganda , scare tactics and greed .
:?
 
I'm confused about what's a better definition of "scare tactics"...
This news article or Dr. Phil's bullshit.
 
Here's what I'm NOT confused about;

Salvia is crap, the mexican indians only used it when they couldn't get psilocybe stropharia.

I have tried it, and I even gave it a second chance....yuck...yuck...yuck.....yuck....YUCK


I'd rather have a beer, and I think (thought) alcohol was the crappiest drug available.

Salvia is living proof that all hallucinogens aren't good.....if this is your thing, you need to try ketamine....it's a better dissociative, with less side effects...


PS- and anyone who says salvia has no side effects is talking out of their ass.
 
Until now I haven't had any side effects with Salvia, nothing bad at all.. You sure it was Salvia? :?

I agree that it is not as interesting as psilocybin, though
 
spice a dit:
Here's what I'm NOT confused about;

Salvia is crap, the mexican indians only used it when they couldn't get psilocybe stropharia.

I have tried it, and I even gave it a second chance....yuck...yuck...yuck.....yuck....YUCK


I'd rather have a beer, and I think (thought) alcohol was the crappiest drug available.

Salvia is living proof that all hallucinogens aren't good.....if this is your thing, you need to try ketamine....it's a better dissociative, with less side effects...


PS- and anyone who says salvia has no side effects is talking out of their ass.

What evidence do you have that Salvia has ANY side effects? Little is known about Salvia, or the receptor on which it bonds. The only thing I've noticed is a feeling of being irritable afterward. This fades off within a good 1-2 hours after Salv. A has been pumped out of the K. opioid receptor.

'Salvia is crap, the mexican indians only used it when they couldn't get psilocybe stropharia.'

Bo back a bit further, mate. Shamans would use Salvia for deep meditation. Indeed its effects are short-lived, unlike Mushrooms or LSD, which takes you on a trip for hours; but one can learn a great deal within those 5-10 minutes. It was not used as an alternative to psilocybe s. I'm not quite sure where you got that information, but it is incorrect. Also, they're called 'Mazatec shamans,' not Mexican Indians.

What's strangely profound about Salvia is its 'reverse tolerance' effect. There's only a few compounds which have this effect, Salvia being one of them. Unlike Mushrooms or Peyote Cacti-- Salvia is needed to be taken more often. You may have not had a breakthrough experience with it, hence your retaliation towards it-- but when, or if you do-- it is indeed a profound journey unlike any other psychedelic.

'I have tried it, and I even gave it a second chance....yuck...yuck...yuck.....yuck....YUCK'

Reverse tolerance? As stated, you will not get Salvia's full spectrum of effects the first or second time around. Once your system gets used to the Salv. A compound, then a bowl of 10x will give you a decent, if not profound experience. I've experienced an ego death on 20x (after much research, trial and error; &c) It changed my life.

'Salvia is living proof that all hallucinogens aren't good.'

Hallucinogens are for meditation and introspection. I'm not completely sure what your view on them is, but they have been used for thousands of years before our generation, before the 1960, before 1940; Most were kept secret and hidden by the many Shamans because they knew if it were released into the hands of those who are not informed correctly-- that it would be abused. We're sitting in a world now where people abuse these substances and subvert their original purpose for being on Earth.

Again, so little is known about Salvia that it's silly to make a generalization like that. More research needs to be done with both the Salv. A compound and a greater understanding of the K. opioid receptors.
 
"Bo back a bit further, mate. Shamans would use Salvia for deep meditation."

Who says that ? Where is the evidence ? Please explain why it wasnt used in modern times by the mexicans and peyote and psilocybe mushrooms were / are . Those people are not called shamans , exept by modern peoploe who have read confused books and not understood them . You should go back a bit further and read books that were written before the modern "experts" copyed things that they didnt understand and added them together like adding 2 and 2 and getting 6 from original books by people who actualy did their own research and found original information on the subjects .The word shaman , or words very similar , is / was used in siberia , korea and israel . In mexico they are called curanderos . Shamans and curanderos have totaly different views of life and their worlds .

Those mexicans didnt smoke it they chewed it .

"I've experienced an ego death"

Please tell us exactly about it .

"Again, so little is known about Salvia that it's silly to make a generalization"

Thats what you are doing .

Most people who try it dont like it and dont do it more than a few times , for obvious reasons .
 
The Mazatec used the plant for healing, divination, and shamanic training.

GOD a dit:
Please explain why it wasnt used in modern times by the mexicans and peyote and psilocybe mushrooms were / are.
Who says that?

GOD a dit:
Those mexicans didnt smoke it they chewed it .
Yes, but they also ingested the squeezed juice out of the leaves.

GOD a dit:
Most people who try it dont like it and dont do it more than a few times , for obvious reasons .
Good, they should have stayed away from it in the first place!!

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"Wasson described how the curandera María Sebastiana Carrera detailed the use of the leaves and repeated some of the ceremonial chants, but would not admit the researchers to an actual ceremony. After supplying them with this information, she broke out in tears, begging the heavens for forgiveness for revealing her knowledge (Wasson 1962). Hofmann further describes how the team members were taken in secret, at night, to the house of Consuela Garcia, where she performed a divination ceremony for them, concerned all the while that they would be discovered (Hofmann 1990). Ethnobotanists have learned much about the ethnobotanical uses of S. divinorum in curing, divination, and shamanic training among the Mazatec Indians, but mysteries still exist."
 
"Who says that? "

I did and i was wrong . I had wires crossed . After thinking about it remembered Maria Sabina . I shall beat myself with a wet fish .
 
:lol:

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I am experienced enough with all the major psychedelics to be able to pass such a judgment on salvia by comparison.

If you prefer it over some of the really good psychedelics, then, that's your loss.



As to what evidence I have about Salvias side effects; the only evidence that matters, my own experience.

It's a second-class drug.
 
spice a dit:
Salvia is living proof that all hallucinogens aren't good....
(I suppose you meant not all hallucinogens...) Not everyone would agree with you. Different substances affect different people in different ways. But it is fine to speak for yourself…

spice a dit:
As to what evidence I have about Salvias side effects; the only evidence that matters, my own experience.
What negative side effects did you experience?

You obviously never had a breakthrough on Salvia. Believe me, it’s possible: the universe unfolds before your eyes in a way that no other drug can rival.
 
I think saliva is boring crap . It was used as a substitute when mushrooms were out of season . As far as i`m concerned one might as well snif glue .
 
GOD a dit:
I think saliva is boring crap . It was used as a substitute when mushrooms were out of season . As far as i`m concerned one might as well snif glue .

Any glue in particular??
 
No, I did have what you are referring to as a breakthrough experience, I didn't like it.

I was transported out of body, and it wasn't pleasant, I got nausea, and there was no positive experience within it.

Unlike real psychedelics, I didn't LEARN anything.....Salvia talks a lot, but there's no content.

I found it to be a very un-psychedelic psychedelic.


Again, I thought it was crappy.
 
Redhawk , i dont know what you mean with break through experience ? For me it either didnt do anything , or just made me feel disgusting and very uncomfortable or blew me into another dimension in another universe . I dont see any point in feeling like a table leg in a 2 dimensional universe .
 
I had a couple of interesting experiences on Salvia, but they don´t compare to some good acid.
 
GOD a dit:
Redhawk , i dont know what you mean with break through experience ?
It’s hard for me to describe these experiences in words, in such a way you can fully understand them (sometimes I don't even get it myself). It’s fairly impossible…you might call it another dimesion, another world, the other side…I don’t know. It doen’t matter either.

You and Spice didn’t like the experience, that’s fine, I did like mine. But what I said before: different substances affect different people in different ways.
 
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