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Immunity to LSD?

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Ok, so heres the dealio.

Last Halloween, out of sheer stupidity and being entirely dazed and confused. I ingested a very unreasonably large amount of LSD. I didn't touch the stuff until last wed.

Now here's my question. Everyone in my trip group took 2 doses, I took 3 knowing that I have a much higher tolerance to the substance than many of my people. Everyone else claimed that it was some of the best LSD they had seen to date. I could barley feel it. Everyone that ingested it is experienced with the drug and would know what they are talking about.

I know I got decent hits, it was all liquid from a vial.

Is it possible that I have destroyed receptors in my brain or something crazy like this?

My favorite drug doesn't like me anymore :(
 
No .
 
good news, thanks. :) so what are the possibilities to this reaction?
 
I have experienced this many times. I've taken hits that did nothing at all to me and others said it was off the wall for them. I've been looking for the solution to this for a long time now. Anyone have any answers?
 
Its called bad / to weak acid and placebo effect . Sometimes combined with group preasure . Most people have never had a real trip and have only imagined that the confusion and placebo effects that they had are a real trip .
 
I have to almost disagree with you GOD(wtf how can I disagree with god...damn LSD...anyhoo)

I know my cuz that seems immune to LSD.????

Dont have the slightest idea how but nothing seems to work on him.
XTC worked and he smokes weed like its not going to be there the next day but for some reason none of the acid I have ever gotten him seemed to do anything

And I have seen alot of people tripping yet he showed no signes of it. no dilation of pupils no incohearent thought... nothing, like 10 years later im still kinda at a lose for it.


Best I could do is offer you to help me LOL.

See he had a strange personality to begin with. Probly the biggest asshole you ever ment in your life. will shoot off the handle being slightly provoked. views of life seem a little off...

hell theres to much to write in words and Im sure this is kind of general for drug users but look to the extream of what I said and tell me ..

Does this discribe you?
 
Hmm no this doesn't describe me at all.I guess I should have clarified, that I have tripped before. I've had some pretty interesting/intense ones. So I def think GOD is right on this one, guess I've just been getting shit for acid. It's amazing though that it can do other people justice and not me. Do I see through the bad acid O.o And by the way GOD I've read this forum for a long time now and never spoken, but reading what you've had to say has always been amusing.
 
When i answered i was talking about someone who has triped and then after a long break the acid he got doesnt seem to work .

I have heard of people who seem to be imune to some drugs . My mate dave can shovel extacy in and he gets an effect something like weak coke but doesnt feel nice at all . I`ve also read about people who dont get drunk and people who can drink a few sips and get absolutely pissed . So maybe its posible , maybe geneticaly , that some drugs dont work , or at least dont work the same , on some people . It could also be something in the character / personality of a person that his mind blocks the effects of some drugs . I remember reading about a budist monk who took LSD and said that nothing more happened to him than when he meditated normaly .
 
it's perfectly normal. drugs aren't absolutes and our body react very subjectively to drugs. there is a bunch of people who have similar effects (when not under placebo) and that's called a "normal" then there is people who have symmetrically opposite effects from the normal and those who have symmetrically stronger effects...it's all statistics.
we are no sheep (not even sheep are sheep, by that i mean made exactly, and behaving, the same way one another)
what cures one ailment for me might do the opposite to you.
when talking about drugs, pharmacists talk about "range of effect upon a certain percentage of the sample population", so don't worry, there are people who cannot experience the LSD like "normal" people do.
 
Bad acid is common at the min....

I recently bought some from Germany way, Buddah's, Hoffmans (The print was kinda tatterd and faint) and green aliens (Yellow background Green alien, 4 squares = 1 alien). I did 2 hoffmans Thursday night, Nothing much at all.... Last night I did 2 aliens, 3 hoffmans and 1 buddah, I started at 6:45pm. Thats the first one was taken then, more at 7:45pm, more at 8:45pm and last taken at 9:30pm. I didnt start any visuals till 11:45pm.....

Very disapointed but hey??? At least I got visuals eventually... :lol:

Im gonna save the wonder next time and take some Mescaline :D :lol:
 
I also heard of a Buddhist monk given LSD with no effects also an old man and he no effects either and they gave him like 5 hits or something like that.
Maybe the wiser you are the less intense tripping is because life for wise people is already trippy?
Haha just a thought.
 
Its possible that there neuro transmitter state is already at that point where the drug just cant cause the massive cascade that it normaly causes. Like normaly when one takes a certine drug ,say dopamine starts to flood the synapsys. well if that is the normal for some people then they will feel no differnt then other people that have a deficiency of dopamine on a normal day.

Also one should look into the fact of genetics and metabolising genes. There is a small group of asian decent IIRC that can not in any way tolerate alcohol and there body goes thru a very quick withdraw minutes after the smallest ingestion.

I dont think that much of this applys here considering the Host said he has already triped but take into account that neuro chemistry also changes with age so quite possible he has reached that state of zen that the monks have where LSD type neurochem is nothing out of the norm.
 
Not to dig up old business or anything, but I was reading through LSD Psychotherapy by Stanislov Grof and came across this, thought it was relevant to this topic because of this part right here.

See he had a strange personality to begin with. Probly the biggest asshole you ever ment in your life. will shoot off the handle being slightly provoked. views of life seem a little off...

To Quote several chapters of the book (if that is allowed, if not could a moderator please edit this):

If different subjects take the same dosage of the drug under relatively standard circumstances, each will have a distinctly different experience. The extreme multiformity and interindividual variability of the LSD state is complemented by its equally striking intraindividual variability. If the same person takes LSD repeatedly, each consecutive session is usually quite different from the others as to its general character, specific content, and course. This variability certainly is a serious objection to the concept that the LSD reaction has simple biochemical and physiological determinants.

He then goes on to say

As unpredictable as the content of the LSD reaction is its intensity and individual responses to the same dosage level vary considerably. The degree of sensitivity or resistance to LSD seems to depend on complicated psychological factors rather than on variables of a constitutional, biological, or metabolic nature. Subjects who in everyday life manifest a strong need to maintain full self-control, and have difficulties relaxing and "letting go," can sometimes resist relatively high dosages of LSD (300-500 micrograms) and show no detectable change. Occasionally, individuals can resist considerable doses of LSD if they have set this as a task for themselves. They may do it to defy the Therapist and compete with him or her, to prove or demonstrate their psychological "strength," to endure more than their fellow patients, to impress their friends, or for many other reasons. However, it is obvious that deeper and more relevant unconscious motives should be looked for being such superficial rationalizations. Additional causes of high resistance to the effect of the drug may be insufficient preparation, instruction and reassurance of the subject, lack of their dull agreement and cooperation, or absence of trust in the therapeutic relationship. In this case, the LSD reaction sometimes does not take its full course until the motives for resistance are analyzed and understood. Similar factors seem to be responsible for the inability of many persons to surrender to the effect of the drug under the circumstances of unsupervised self-experimentation in the presence of strangers and in unfamiliar environments. Such sessions are conducive to incomplete resolution and integration, adverse after-effects, and later recurrences ("flashbacks"). Instant sobering, which can occur at any period of the session and on any dosage level, typically indicates a sudden mobilization of defenses against impending emergence of unpleasant traumatic material.

Amongst psychiatric patients, severe obsessive-compulsive neurotics are particularly resistant to the effect of LSD. It has been a common observation in my research that such patients can frequently resist dosages of more than 500 micrograms of LSD and show only slight signs of physical or psychological distress. In extreme cases it can take several dozen high-dose LSD sessions before tghe psychological resistance of these individuals are reduced to a level where they start having episodes of regression to childhood and become aware of the unconscious material that had to be worked through. After observing several situations in which even a drastic increase of dosage - in one instance to 15000 micrograms given intramuscularly - did not result in a fully developed LSD experience, it became obvious that high psychological resistance to LSD cannot be overcome just by an increase in dosage; it has to be gradually reduced in a series of sessions. There seems to be a saturation point of LSD somewhere between 400 and 500 micrograms; if the subject does not respond adequately to this dosage, additional LSD will not change anything in the situation

There is some evidence, of an anecdotal rather than experimental nature, suggesting that a lowered response to LSD can occur in spiritually highly-developed individuals who have extensive experience of unusual states of mind or live in such a state most of the time. The most famous example of this is Ram Dass' account, according to which his Indian guru did not respond on two occasions to extremely high dosages of LSD (900 and 1200 micrograms respectively). (83)This would indicate the possibility that lack of reaction to the drug can be associated paradoxically with two opposite conditions, namely excessive rigidity and a strong psychological defense system or extreme openness and a lack of separating barriers.


I feel that this may have been what I was going through at the time. It was a period where I was looking to reshape who I was and get my life back together. So i was not ready to let go to such an experience at the time. This also may relate to your friend, and some other people I know as well.

Just food for thought, wanted to throw it out there.
:wink:
 
i guess that would explain it. ive had awesome experiences on acid. but then ive taken some supposedly good acid w/ a group of people & been the only one not tripping. i would feel different, but i wasnt comfortable "letting go" since i didnt know everyone there. theres been other similar occasions & some that i have another theory for. i would kinda expect the acid to be crap & i could of not "let go" cause i was focused on proving so.

reading that made me feel like one experience i had on lsd is uncommon. anyone else ever tripped w/ your best friend & seen the same things? its one thing i will NEVER forget. this wasnt a "hey, look @ that!" & the other seeing it after it was brought up. it was a "what are u looking @?" & would be something the other was seeing. then again, this wasnt the usual visual trip. faces melting & such. we were seeing stuff that we couldnt explain & it would take forever for me to explain it. im not ashamed to tell anyone. one of the highlights of my life so far was on acid.
As usual, there is a great woman behind every idiot.
John Lennon
 
I think GOD may be closest to the truth here if you were all taking the same thing; especially if you took more than the others.

You can build up a temporary immunity to it as your brain produces more esterases to flush it out of your synapses better. But I severely doubt anyone is immune to first doses or a break from dosing. It would mean a huge change in how your brain was functioning. And the receptors LSD interferes with are some of the most widespread and critical in the brain.

GOD's friend who could eat through E is more likely to be genetically immune. Some people have exceptionally high levels of enzyme activity when it comes to metabolizing things like that in the blood stream. Those enzymes are responsible for metabolizing a large array of drugs and are a major subject of interest for the pharmaceutical companies regarding safety; e.g. when do children reach an age at which they can safely metabolize DXM? Sometimes they render things inert, other times they'll active them. A girl once accidentally killed her baby because she was taking codeine painkillers and breast feeding. The same enzymes MDMA goes through convert codeine to morphine in your body, and it was concentrating in her breast milk and then in the baby; so the baby died of an accidental overdose of morphine via a route she will have had no idea about (the same concentrating of things in breast milk, worryingly, occurs for other things as well, like carcinogens emitted from plastics and foam packings for food, water, furniture and so on). Anti-depressants go through the same enzymatic pathways. There are also people who are the opposite and can't metabolize things like MDMA, which means they'll feel horrible even on small amounts, or need to go to hospital. Asians, I believe, tend to carry this genome more readily than Caucasians; the same way a lot of guys in Asian will get drunk and stay drunk, or feel very sick, from amounts of alcohol guys in the West would consider small. Easy to laugh at, but they're saving a whole wad of cash in the process.

There are lists of factors that have nothing to do with the drug, that GOD has already suggested at.

People can have a point to prove with regards to drugs. E.g. a monk might not want to admit that there is something equal to or bettering his meditation in terms of what he experiences during it; or he might just be smart enough to realize that drugs produce (d)illusions, and his meditation is based on reality. Or an old man might not want to admit that he's missed out on something in life; or be smart enough to realize a drug isn't a substitute for a lifetime of memories with his wife and children.

I've heard a few people say drugs aren't affecting them, when they quite clearly are.

Similarly, friends you think are as experienced as you can have been taking poor samples and not be, or they're more willing to talk up the smaller effects. Virtually everyone I meet questions why I end up taking so much of things and I end up questioning why they don't. It's often not because I can't feel it doing something at lower doses, I just want to see what it will do at stronger ones.

There's also the possibility that there was some kind of drug interaction going on in your brain, particularly if you're taking any medicines to do with your brain. Some medicines, like anti-depressants, can turn a relatively safe drug like MDMA into a serious problem when the two are mixed together; both will inhibit the metabolic pathways, and one will cause neurotransmitters to flood out whilst the other blocks them from being recycled (leading to serotonin syndrome). Some will enhance the effects of things that are rendered inert by your bloodstream, others can do the opposite.

A large number of people who take lysergide based things report feeling like kids again, or like the world is fresh, alive and new. One reason for that, which I may investigate in a lab at some point, is that it may be boosting the level of esterases in the synapses, which will cause them to keep flushing themselves clear of neurotransmitters and increase the bandwidth across the junction; as a child is more likely to experience before ways and memories become deep set with age. Hoffmann himself reported this same new life or freshness on what were almost certainly the first LSD trips ever experienced. Coupled with a drug which inevitably produces a huge surge of novel information and you have a child like mentality (everything is new and exciting); adults mistake that surge for a religious experience in my opinion, when in reality it's a surge of distorted, scrambled information they can't understand and want to compartmentalize as something religious (even atheists will try to cling to things as an attempt to save themselves from annihilation via death, like quantum mechanical explanations of the brain based on nothing), and the only lesson to take away from it in my opinion is to realize that your senses aren't perfect and there is a 'bigger picture' (a picture nerdy physicists are already painting for your without the need for drugs. High school physics alone should prove that to you - look at the measured electromagnetic spectrum, then at the domain your eyes can perceive). I suspect things like electroshock therapy may be doing something similar to LSD does at the synapses, that it's sending a huge surge of uncontrolled signaling through them and causing the body to respond by increasing it's ability to flush the junctions.
 
my experience matches Dr. Grof's. the first 2 hits of lsd i ever ate came from separate sources both of which affected other people. i noticed nothing in the 4 hours after each attempt, i had consumed no other drugs. then that evening a 3rd "extra wide" hit of fluff from yet a 3rd source MORE than did the trick. then i had to drive home while peaking for the first time, i had to think really hard about which color stoplight had which meaning... eventually i realized that the lowest hanging light meant "Go". if i had any problem, it would have been sitting parked in front of a Green light thinking furiously... i maintain that i am fully qualified to drive on LSD, i could easily pass the test as soon as they make one for it.
 
Markov a dit:
Ok, so heres the dealio.

Last Halloween, out of sheer stupidity and being entirely dazed and confused. I ingested a very unreasonably large amount of LSD. I didn't touch the stuff until last wed.

Now here's my question. Everyone in my trip group took 2 doses, I took 3 knowing that I have a much higher tolerance to the substance than many of my people. Everyone else claimed that it was some of the best LSD they had seen to date. I could barley feel it. Everyone that ingested it is experienced with the drug and would know what they are talking about.

I know I got decent hits, it was all liquid from a vial.

Is it possible that I have destroyed receptors in my brain or something crazy like this?

My favorite drug doesn't like me anymore :(

Oh man, you are a cyborg?? :D You have not destroyed anything.
 
hi, i was wondering if any psychonauts had the same experience as me and maybe can advice me? i got a bottle of liquid lsd and have been experimenting with it, nearly every weekend. but found that 3 drips was the optimum doseage, produced great visuals and audio, confusion, chaos etc which is what im after, but after taking 3 drips on say 5-6 sundays in successions, this sunday the 3 drips really didnt seem to do much at all??? its the SAME acid so i know the quailty is very good. but have i built up an immunity to it now? like with alcohol or other drugs. or is it that every trip IS different. i guess every trip cant be a life chan ging experience, but it really didnt do much for me at all, after having a proper life changing trip on the same 3 drips only 3 weeks previous!!
 
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