How far can you go with Ayahuasca?

[Brugmansia]

It made me think. I have never done Aya. But what if you ingest an excessively strong and good prepared brew on an empty stomach? Can it resident on the same level as smoking DMT crystals?

 

[druglessdouglas]

ive not done it yet but ive wondered the same thing. i intend to find out.
its logical that you would reach the same level and stay there for a while.
maybe a sitter would be apropriate for that test

 

[GOD]

I wouldnt recomend anyone to take Ayahuasca on a full stomach or they are going to puke their guts up . Its recomended not to eat anything for 4 hours before but its good to drink a little herb tea or something that doesnt react much with your stomach . The experience from drinking it isnt the same as from smoking it . Just because of the difference between the speed the lungs asimilate it and the speed that the stomach asimilates it .

I recomend you both to find out , for me it was like comming home , like meeting a long lost friend again . I cryed sometimes . A dose is between 25 and 50 mgs of DMT with three gramms of Peganum Harmala . ( i always took about 10 gramms just to besure ) You take the P.Harmala 20 - 30 minutes before , some people say 45 minutes . If you start off with 25 mg it willput you in astate where you feel like you are on a strong trip but without any hallucinations . If you take 50 mgs it will open the doors to another world parallel /in / on top of this one . Its a bit like seeing two scenes superimposed on top of each other . The more DMT you take the more the DMT world takes over untill you can get to a state where you virtually loose contact to this world but you are still conscious . Imagine projecting two films on a wll and slowly turning the one down and the other one up . Its nice to wait till you realise you have got to the peak and then take another dose thats stronger . It wont catapult you into oblivion but it will add something to the trip . Make sure you have loads of it because if you feel like it you can just keep drinking it and trip on and on . Most people take 2 doses because its draining and who wants to be permanently beamed . It will let you know !!! Sometimes its as if it speaks to you . And dont smoke cannabis before you take it , wait till you come up and then try it . It either seems like the two are part of eachother , like sisters or it confuses you . Sometimes it was good for me and other times not . But when its good its very very good and when its bad its awefull .


A sitter is good for the first time .

 

[Bastiaan]

I tried it last week.
I can say I would definately recommend you to do it in the evening in a quiet environment.
I hadn't eaten meat and diary and stuff the day before and haven't done this 12 hours after.
Also no sex in this period.
And prepare very well mentally, brainstorm, meditate on what you hope to acheive or attain more insight and/or enclaration in
Make it quite a list or actually what I mean is don't underestimate it's potence
Being as mentally prepared as possible will ensure you get the most out of the experience
I did it in the afternoon and it was a beautiful experience, beyond beautiful even. It was holy. But I did feel that the experience would come more to it's element in the evening.
I took about 3,5grs of Peganum Harmala 20 minutes before drinking half of the aya, wich I made by extracting 3 times from 20grs of Mimosa rootbark.
After 10 minutes, I puked after about half a minute of desperately trying to hold it in.
Then it came on.
I might still write a trip report about the most holy and healing psychedelic experience I ever had but I'm a bit buissy atm.

Sometimes its as if it speaks to you

This was the case
It felt like it was god or sth :S or definately some ultimately wise spirit
And as if it was healing me
It was showing me truth, wisdom and insights only so deep as I could just handle.
It/he could share much more with me, but I would'nt have been able to handle this
It went exactly the speed that I could comprehend, as if it was patiently guiding me.. and with such compassion..
I felt like a tiny person with no experience or wisdom whatsoever compared to this energy that was patiently teaching me
It confronts you as well with a lot of bad personality traits and/or habits that you have wrongly constructed along your path.
Some say this can be too confronting but to me this was absolutely not the case
The aya is so compassionate..
When you attain the new insight you can look down on how your old you contructed a trait overlooking things and being misguided by emotion with such compassion..
It does humble you ofc.. but this is beautiful it feels so incredibly real..
In the middle of my trip I drank the rest of the aya and I IMMEDIATELY threw it all up, along with some P harmala.
So I'm quite sure no alkaloids were taken into my body from this last portion and because of this quick throwing up not even all alkaloids from the first portion may have been taken up..
And still I had an incredibly beautiful experience!
So I suppose I still have a lot to look forward to
Next time I think I'll just take the P. Harmala 30 or 40 minutes before, then swallow a capsule with crystal DMT in it.
I want to be sure this time I get a good dose
If you are going to try it I wish you as pleasant and beautiful and healing an experience as I have had!

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

It made me think. I have never done Aya. But what if you ingest an excessively strong and good prepared brew on an empty stomach? Can it resident on the same level as smoking DMT crystals?

Let's say we make an ayahuasca analogue that doesn't cause nausea, and so you can dose the DMT precisely, then it could be said one can reach the same level of intensity (though with a slower onset) but is there anyone brave enough to undergo that level of hallucination for 4 to 5 hours instead of 10 to 20 minutes?

'Ladies and gentlemen, please remain seated. This ride will continue for five hours."

 

[mysticwarrior]

Let's say we make an ayahuasca analogue that doesn't cause nausea, and so you can dose the DMT precisely, then it could be said one can reach the same level of intensity (though with a slower onset) but is there anyone brave enough to undergo that level of hallucination for 4 to 5 hours instead of 10 to 20 minutes?

Sounds heavy!

I am also thinking about trying aya, especially because i read so many reports and heard so many people speak about the healing property's that aya seems to have. But one question has come to my mind, is the experience totally different then that from mushrooms?

Bastiaan, that sounds like a wonderfull experience.

Greets,
Mystic.

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

But one question has come to my mind, is the experience totally different then that from mushrooms?

I've had a similar sense of 'contact' on mushrooms and on ayahuasca, and I'd say the intensity and beauty of the colours and patterns is basically the same. Though there are differences, I'd say they are more alike than different. You certainly feel a little different because of the MAOi.

 

[Brugmansia]

but is there anyone brave enough to undergo that level of hallucination for 4 to 5 hours instead of 10 to 20 minutes?

Good point. I still think you can't never get yourself ready for basing DMT as in terms of kicking off in all rest.

After all, who can prepare his self before putting a gun to his head and pull the trigger. 'Cause that's what smoking DMT is to me.

With the smokable form, the insane speed and instant blown away experience gave me no time at all to take a breath of reality.

It wasn't tripping, just a transfer through a pipe to a dimension with the absence of my body, mind, memory, sensory, all of it was spontaneously gone. I existed without the most neccesarry attribute of life, the body.

I'm interested in this healing affect of Aya. A gradual journey at the highest level of tripping.

So, despite the gradual onset, will an excessive dose of Ayahuasca knock you off as well then and produce equall effects as crystals?

And is a medium brew, similar to smoking 20 mg's or what? Just with a longer duration?

 

[Ultima]

iv had a prebrewed aya made from a close person. 1 shot would get ya going, 2 is hallucinating like mad... and 3... well.. lets just say it felt like my head was going to burst with colours, and extremely crisp objects.. i layed back for a few hours, once i came too, i remember yelling "I NEED TO STOP LEARNING THINGS, AND START TRIPPING OUT!!" i actually thought there was a higher being talking to me telling me what i had done wrong in my life, and how i need to fix them. aya is extremely potent.

 

[druglessdouglas]

ive not done aya yet. ive done big doses of mushrooms where ive only had a thread of a connection to my body and the only thing that existed wes the experience. the "entities" encountered during aya sound very familliar to me. ive experienced similar things on mushrooms. nebbishes i call them. they have told me how the universe works and what its purpose is etc. it all made perfect sense at the time. ive also encountered "bad things", not a bad trip, just entities who dont really care for humans much. cant blame them.
ive experienced plant spirits, though theire awareness was dull, and i remember what it was like to be atoms born in a star.
good special effects.
i would never say mushrooms have nothing left to teach me but i would like to try something of a similar intensity but different "flavour". another point of view.
i like the idea of a 4 hour dmt trip. or 6 hours. what else am i doing?
its only 1 night of your life and if you dont like it then you dont do it again.
it would be good to know of an antidote just in case though.
i intend to find out how far aya can take me. ive never had a bad trip, some have had difficult periods but with experience you learn not to make it worse.

 

[Forkbender]

The aya is so compassionate..

Well put. That's exactly it. Aya gives us much as you are willing to take. It gives you all once there is no fear. It makes you grow up and stay young. It shows you yourself in all its glory.

I haven't done enough DMT to compare, just a threshold trip... Soon!

 

[Guest]

Well, I did Aya for the first time 2 months ago.
And for me compassionate is not the word that comes into mind.
I've never had such a hard time during a trip, but that was because I had so much shit to clean up, that an introspective hell was the thing I needed.

 

[Forkbender]

^well, yes, that too. But it gives you exactly what you need at the right time, which can be interpreted as compassionate.

 

[endlessness]

SWIM already went VERY far with ayahuasca and pharmahuasca

SWIM had with 2,2g syrian rue and 200mg pure freebase dmt a very very strong trip with visuals comparable to smoking DMT, except they moved slower and SWIM had more time to examine all of it... SWIM also had many auditory ´hallucinations´ (dont like the word) and also spiritual teachings like with ayahuasca

with ayahuasca, in a particular ceremony with a shaman, SWIM also went very far, being operated by these psychedelic entities, full visions of all kinds, etc

With a strong dose and in proper setting, ayahuasca can really make you live through magic. Looking back on some experiences, it really feel as if I had went through archetypical stories in my trips, lived myths and tales, saw miracles, experienced first hand heaven and hell, etc..

So even though in each moment of time it may not have the same ´in your face´ visual aspects or at least not in the same speed, ayahuasca/pharmahuasca can take you very very far and deep, sometimes more than what you would want or be strong enough for