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HIdden Connections between Bush and Osama

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Here is a fairly well documented timeline of events related to 9/11 and some connections some people may not be aware of, connecting the dots on ties between the Bush administration and Osama Bin Laden....and how we are the suckers...

http://www.thinkingpeace.com/Lib/lib006.html

these right wing fuckers.....grrrr....
 
Hidden connections?

This is common knowledge, man.
 
If I stopped ten people in the street herein America, I doubt EVEN ONE could tell you who Bandar al-saud IS, much less
that had heard , and retained any of this...

I know that the relationship between them ( that he was a saud diplomat with ties to the Bush white house ) is openly known, but the timeline of all the events taking place isn't, as far as I know, not here anyway...
There are some strong implications in the timeline, namely that a covert squad was smuggled out of the US immediately following the 9/11 disaster and that the coverup was aided and abetted by the Bush white house.

I wish all this was common knowledge over here.
 
You Europeans seem to be much better informed, generally, of the many machinations of evil done by neo-cons over here, it's like a lot of Americans have a blind spot anout it. Most of my rant, and information the rants are based on, are really directed at OTHER AMERICANS who tend to lean more to the right in their political thinking, but somehow still are interested in exploration of the inner self via mind altering experiences. Of course I always want, and appreciate the input from a euro perspective, but I am aware of the fact that you all are much more 'on it' in regards to this kind of thing, probably due to the fact that you're all not in the direct sights of the Western Propaganda Machine, and are more open-minded generally.

My purpose is to get some of these rightwingers to actually give two seconds of thought to their philosophy of life, and to realize that a desire to explore (psychonautics) and a desire to suppress ( right-wing ) aren't mutually reconcilable.

That's like being a religious liquor-store owner, it's hypocritical.
 
I wish all this was common knowledge over here.

It's not even common knowledge here. But within the psychedelic community (and other groups who are slightly more open-minded), either in Europe or the States, this does seem to be common knowledge. I got in contact with hundreds of american "hippies" through MySpace, and all of them knew what actually happened on 9/11.
 
Cool, the grassroots awareness is really the worlds only hope, IMO.

In 1979, George W had a fledgling company in Texas called Arbusto Oil, and he needed investor/financers...one of them he found was a guy named James Bath, a Texan who was a well connected guy who just happened to ALSO be a rep for a fella named Salem Bin Laden, one of Osama's brothers.

W tried to at first deny that he even knew Bath, but cornered (like the weasel he is) and confronted with strong evidence to the contrary, he capitulated...and admitte that not only did he know Bath, but that he was aware that Bath had extensive saudi ties and bin Laden ties.

Bath was also involved in a metter dealing with BCCI,
" the largest bank fraud in world history" said a Manhattan N.Y. District Attorney.

BCCI was the main way money was funneled to the rebels during Iran-Contra and it was also the way that the Afghan 'mujahedin' were financed.

After much turmoil and reincarnations, Arbusto re-emerged as Harken Energy Corporation. After Harken began having financial troubles ( does this seem familiar?) another saud with ties to Salem Bin Laden bailed it out, buying ~20% of its stock. His name was Baksh. Bakshs' banker was bin mahfouz, who was tied in with BCCI through another saud, Gaith Pharoan, the Houston-based frontman for BCCI.

In 1992, the FBI stated it suspected that Mahfouz had a direct role in 'funding the Bin Laden terrorist network'. (FBI's words, not mine)

This makes Bush guilty of treason, in my eyes, as he has directly and knowingly done business with those who have (supposedly) conducted terrorist activities.

What was the punishment for treason?
 
Spice ,

I had heard a lot of what your link said in your first post , but not all of it . It linked several storys for me that i didnt know were linked . I dont think that most people here are old enough to remember things like the Iran / contra / cocain triangle , the BCCI , the bank of the Bahamas , the vatican bank and archbishop marchinkas the bishop of Chicago and the death of Aldo Moro . = The links between the cia , the secret services of the world , the vatican , the criminal mafia/s and the military industrial complex ( Bush , haliburton , the carlyle syndicate and others ) who side by side set up one bank after another to jointly wash their dirty money . The layers of the conspiracy being a few rich people organised in syndicats and lodges using the layer under them = the secret services of the world to keep control and do their dirty work , who in their turn use the layer under them = the major criminal organisations and mafias to do their dirty work for them . = We are stiched up in a fucking bag , talking about being free while other people are pulling all the strings for themselves .

"What was the punishment for treason?"

HANG THE BASTARDS
 
spice a dit:
You Europeans seem to be much better informed, generally, of the many machinations of evil done by neo-cons over here, it's like a lot of Americans have a blind spot anout it. Most of my rant, and information the rants are based on, are really directed at OTHER AMERICANS who tend to lean more to the right in their political thinking, but somehow still are interested in exploration of the inner self via mind altering experiences. Of course I always want, and appreciate the input from a euro perspective, but I am aware of the fact that you all are much more 'on it' in regards to this kind of thing, probably due to the fact that you're all not in the direct sights of the Western Propaganda Machine, and are more open-minded generally.

My purpose is to get some of these rightwingers to actually give two seconds of thought to their philosophy of life, and to realize that a desire to explore (psychonautics) and a desire to suppress ( right-wing ) aren't mutually reconcilable.

That's like being a religious liquor-store owner, it's hypocritical.

I live in Belgium and here (okay, I am not talking about the whole belgium. I talk about the people of my age), The USA are considered as the greatest liers in the world. We all know it's the 1st economic power, and that our world is under their control... So we actually hate your government. My friends and I often share informations like that, great lies we have been told and how we did not react. The fact is that most of the great lies of the world I know were told by the USA so :D

But I repeat, I talk for me and a big part of all the people I know well.

(I must also agree they're all stoners :p )
 
Whose fault is it? The liar or the person who believes it?
 
This makes Bush guilty of treason, in my eyes, as he has directly and knowingly done business with those who have (supposedly) conducted terrorist activities.

What was the punishment for treason?

Jail time for life in my eyes, but how do you punish the guy thats in controle of the media and the justice system?
Or he has to be punished after his presidentcy, but then is also the question, would the next president in line not be guilty to all those dark businesses? becouse if they just continue there path of lies i dont think mr bush will get his jailtime..
 
Forkbender a dit:
Whose fault is it? The lier or the person who believes it?

no hesitation: it's the lier's fault. The person who believes it really LIVES in the lie. We have been conditionned to accept all we see. They try to scare us with terrorism, murders, and we suffer from beying in that position. We don't live, we survive. We're glad as far as we're not touched by aniything we see on tv. "omg people die from suicide bombers, man I'm living in paradise compared to them"

and that's how we get fat, old and grey.
 
MindAstronaut a dit:
This makes Bush guilty of treason, in my eyes, as he has directly and knowingly done business with those who have (supposedly) conducted terrorist activities.

What was the punishment for treason?

Jail time for life in my eyes, but how do you punish the guy thats in controle of the media and the justice system?
Or he has to be punished after his presidentcy, but then is also the question, would the next president in line not be guilty to all those dark businesses? becouse if they just continue there path of lies i dont think mr bush will get his jailtime..

As the business was prior to the supposed terrorist activities we have not a leg to stand on legally. So it will not happen. Bush will be free. And does it matter? Well, yes and no, yes because it shows that people can get away with pretty much anything if one has the right papers/contacts, no because jailtime doesn't change anybody.
 
faithless a dit:
Forkbender a dit:
Whose fault is it? The lier or the person who believes it?

no hesitation: it's the lier's fault. The person who believes it really LIVES in the lie. We have been conditionned to accept all we see. They try to scare us with terrorism, murders, and we suffer from beying in that position. We don't live, we survive. We're glad as far as we're not touched by aniything we see on tv. "omg people die from suicide bombers, man I'm living in paradise compared to them"

and that's how we get fat, old and grey.

That's too easy, man. People should blame themselves for not being critical, not the government for shoving some truth down their throat. If you don't like it, don't do it. And we still follow these governments even if we know that they are corrupt, so who is to blame? If you always blame another party for your misfortune, you will never be happy, because you cannot take control of your own life.
 
Forkbender a dit:
faithless a dit:
Forkbender a dit:
Whose fault is it? The lier or the person who believes it?

no hesitation: it's the lier's fault. The person who believes it really LIVES in the lie. We have been conditionned to accept all we see. They try to scare us with terrorism, murders, and we suffer from beying in that position. We don't live, we survive. We're glad as far as we're not touched by aniything we see on tv. "omg people die from suicide bombers, man I'm living in paradise compared to them"

and that's how we get fat, old and grey.

That's too easy, man. People should blame themselves for not being critical, not the government for shoving some truth down their throat. If you don't like it, don't do it. And we still follow these governments even if we know that they are corrupt, so who is to blame? If you always blame another party for your misfortune, you will never be happy, because you cannot take control of your own life.

I agree we're the only ones to blame.. Definitly.

That is not what I meant... Of course we're stupid. But I can't stand liers :p
 
You're right we need to find a proper sentence for bush, how about a 6grams shroom trip :twisted: :P

He probably get away with it, but im sure karma will take care of him..
 
We probably need to collectively forgive him. It will inspire him more than some bad trip.
 
Forkbender- I think that if we were discussing interpersonal relationships, then obviously the answer to your question is 'the liar'.

In the context of our discussion here, it's a convoluted game of blame.

Obviously, you can't go too far in your persecution of these blind sheep. The heartiest condemnation I, personally can come up with is that the masses are intellectually lazy, which is the REAL problem.

And it is THIS fact that allows all the things to go on that do go on.

When you are born into a prison that you do not even realize exists, then it becomes rather difficult to concieve of an escape.

To concieve of this prison, there must first exist that grain of doubt in the validity of the premises we are educated and conditioned under,
else it cannot be sensed, AT ALL.

This also explains why some people can do psychedelics repeatedly, and never get a damn thing from them except a cool ride, because these individuals are too sure that what they see every day is all there is, and all there can be, and all there SHOULD be.

It takes a lot to get throught hese hardheads, and what I have found is that individuals such as this haven't been beaten up by life yet enough for that grain of doubt to exist inside them. This is why a lot of people do not begin thinking along psychonautic lines when they are young.

When these people are insulated by wealth and those trappings, an insular layer is formed around all their reality, and NOTHING that allows that insular reality to stand will ever penetrate their mentalities.


We MUST exorcise the demons of inequality from interpersonal relationships to change the world, pure and simple.

You'll never do that as long as you have Western- ized Institutions
propagating the church of Greed, and me-first, and these institutions are composed of PEOPLE whose ideas are insulated and armored from attack by tradition, and reinforced by each other.

I have been, and am, thinking a LOT these days about what I, spice ,can REALLY DO, besides talk a lot and exhort people to consider new perspectives, and I hit upon a certain train of thinking;

What IS their power over us all REALLY based on?

Energy. Pure and Simple, energy.

Whether it's gas, oil, electricity, the energy infrastructure is the REAL
MATRIX, supported by a financial matrix. supported by a political matrix.

Where does it come from?

Why do we allow 'proprietary thinking' by these cabals?

For instance, the 'secret' to producing electricity is really no secret at all, well not to me, anyway....spinning a fucking magnet in a coil of wire makes electricity....electric companies use natural gas to generate the initial energy that spins the generators, so se it for WHAT IT IS, a deathlock. A monopoly. A matrix.

Of course oil is where the rest of our energy comes from, but let me ask all of you something, and I want EVERY person reading this who considers him/herself a thinking being to think, really THINK about what I am about to say;

Do you all really think that we get all of our oil from the arabs, or Russians, or Mexicans, or Venezuelans?

Do you think that all petrochem products are related to crude oil out of the ground? HA! HA! HA!

It's not.

Ever hear of 'synthetic motor oil'???????????

Didi you know that we have had the raw knowledge to synthesize hydrocarbon fuels such as gasoline for about 70 years? The classical lit is full of options.....

I lay down the gauntlet here, and tell you that we're being lied to in ways that are really hard to fathom.....

They ( Shell, Exxon, Gulf, BP, all of them) have a much larger capacity to synthesize these fuels than you'd ever believe. The chemistry isn;t all that complex, but it still is hard to comprehend, because of the scope of this wool-pulling-over-the-eyes.

For an American, let's do a little exercise, mentally, to help understand the SCOPE of what I am talking about.

How many Wal-MArts, AutoZOnes, PepBoys, and the like exist in this country...

I have no idea, but additively, MILLIONS of these store dot the land.

Every store has shelves and shelves of synthetic oil product.


How much production capacity does it require to stock every fuckin store in the land with synthetic petroleum products...?

Do you understand?

It's all a lie.

We don't have to be over there, we don't NEED the oil, we have the capacity to synthesize it, on a large scale.

I tell you, it's a damn lie.


So, I think the key to busting their lock on us is the energy equivalent of 'cold fusion' a simple, non-proprietary method of generating energy, with no cadre of secretive white men acting as intermediaries....I am seriously thinking of devoting my thinking to this area, on a rest-of-my-life basis, no shit.

When they can't FORCE you to buy their electricity, and they cant FORCE you to buy their gas, then all you have to do is eat.....

these fuels and energies are the way they force us to participate....

I bet if you could power your vehicles and heat/light your homes for free, you'd BE a lot more free, and could go into the world WHEN YOU WANTED, not because you were compelled to, by some faceless corporation.....Truly, every mans home would then be his castle.

If you had the energy thing licked, inequality would solve itself.

Why would anyone need to steal what you have, when they can have it without stealing?

They wouldn't.

The technology exists RIGHT NOW for them to make a car that gets over 100 MPG.

Why won't they do it?

Who's gonna make them?

Is the question.

Cattle get grazed, then consumed.
 
spice, isn't the synthesis of fuel more costly than getting fuel from oil?
That would make sence no?

After all, the bastards just want profit?
 
Fact of the matter is, that most people want to be lied to, because they want their lives to be as easy as possible, avoiding painful situations. They want a government to tell them this is possible, that you can achieve something without any form of pain. This mechanism is even working on a smaller scale in interpersonal relationships, although the sense of responsibility of the liar to the other is greater, because the liar is in a direct relationship to the other. So we could indeed call it lazyness. Energy is indeed what it is all about, but people want others to deal with their lacks, instead of putting in some hard work. In my opinion there is no guilty party, it's part of the system. Playing the blame game just prohibits you from finding a way out, from doing it differently.

There is no cage big enough to imprison spirit.
 
Meduzz- In the forties and fifties, when gas was about three cents a gallon, wholesale, this is what was written in the classical literature regarding a synthesis called the 'Fischer-Tropsch'.....

" at present the expense of the process makes its use prohibitive for the mass production of gasoline products "

Do you know how much the industries efficiency, as well as the knowledge base, has increased in the times from then to now?

I do.

A lot. A whole lot.

Couple that reality with the fact that oil is hovering @ the 100 dollar a barrel price, and I would BET you that that cost isnt anywhere near as prohibitive as it was in 1952.

Bear in mind that we burned leaded fuel for a couple of more decades before they invented the catalytic converter. So, my best guess is that they didn't figure all the real ins and outs of the processes until; fairly recently, my guess would be sometime during the last ten or fifteen years.

Petroleum chemistry is what I was studying when I was in school, not pharmacology or the like. You wouldn't believe how advanced these guys are.
Hydroforming, Catalytic cracking, re-combining, these people have got the ULTIMATE shell game going.
Their efficiencies are MAD. They recirculate, re-cycle, re-use, etc endlessly, the waste from one reaction is pumped to another type 20 yards away to serve as a reagent in ANOTHER reaction....

And its all super-compartmentalized, each monkey pushing his own set of buttons ( these guys are called 'process techs') and each ignorant of what is going on in the next room where ther are other process techs doing other things, some processes intertwined with each other, some not. Engineers design processes, in ivory towers, and they are the ones with the 'long-view', somewhat, BUT there are 'levels' among the engineers, and the mirror game continues here,
in that the right hand doesn't generally know what the left is doing.


Beginning to get the picture?

It doesn't have to be a HUGE conspiracy, only a powerful one.




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