[Help] Salvia's Respect

[usotsuki]

Yesterday was my first time smoking Salvia Divinorum, also my first drug ever.
I think I made her mad by forcing myself into her world, like it was my own home.

The trip was basically her, beating the shit out of me. I'm not mad at her, because it was all my fault. I feel very guilty. I really would like to earn her respect.
But should I just do a strong dose again, and just let her know that I'm fine with her abusing me, and that I'm a friendly person who doesn't mean to do any harm? Maybe she'll just let me be?

You see, I'm just not the type of person to do things slowly and build my way up...
Or is she not the kind to get friendly with slightly arrogant (but friendly) people like me? I know many of you guys here hang out in her world very often and know more about it..
Please help.


Technical info:
It was a 15x standardized extract, acquired from Bouncing Bear Botanicals (damn, these guys ship fast...)

 

[Guest]

usotsuki, if you are not the kind of guy to start slowly, then get used to the beating, because you are going to get a lot of it. or if you don't like it, give up on psychedelics and start a different activity.

 

[usotsuki]

Never. I like Salvia. But I don't want to hurt her or make her mad. I'm fine with the beating

 

[Meduzz]

Maybe she beat you up for taking 15x extract for a first time :wink:

 

[usotsuki]

Perhaps I'm not making myself clear

Will she be my friend eventually if I go on like this? Or do I have to kinda like apologize and start slowly, and build up the respect this way?
Or it really doesn't make a difference in the long run, and this is just her attitude towards everyone, no matter how you got to know each other?

 

[BrainEater]

i suggest you to try it out! else i'd reccommend you to ask the question to somethin inside yourself and check the answer! for me it was like normal salvia never beamed me a lot in the beginning... just when i smoked extract the first time i was beamed! but well it might be that i had built up already the respect before by having smoked the normal leaves quite some times before...

peace!

 

[Guest]

salvia always treated me nice. respect for salvia is starting small and learning how she speaks to you. starting at 15x is a dumb thing to do, and you will end up scared and you have learnt nothing. do it slowly, she'll begin to open doors, and you will understand. you have no experience, and you are lucky you didn't trashed your house, or scared someone, and it would be another bad-advertising for salvia.
i'll tell you again...if you want to grab yourself about the huge amounts of drugs you can take, or have no patience to experimentate with substances, go get a heroin fix and tell in another forum how it went. psychedelics is not about the amounts you can take, is learning of speaking and interacting with the substances. if you start small and build your way, it will be much faster and understandable for you.

 

[usotsuki]

Thank you, daytripper and BrainEater

I really want this to be a good relationship.
Then should I go buy a weaker extract and use that, or I can just use the 15x that I already have in smaller doses? Sorry, I'm a total noob ^__^

 

[Guest]

salvia, so they say, work in reverse tolerance. the more you smoke, the less you will need to smoke next time. i find that the leaves of the plant (no extract) are the most potent. extracts just leave a bad taste in the mouth. if you learn to do it with normal leaves, you will never touch extracts again. the best thing must be having a living plant in home...learn to smoke normal leaves and she will be very gentle, if you respect her. do not try to get high off it, and neither try to kill time with it. do it for auto-exploration...many people here in this forum can help you, ask them because they are quite helpful.

 

[trick]

psychedelics is not about the amounts you can take, is learning of speaking and interacting with the substances.

aggreed

when i first tried it, i took 10x and i got beat just as you did.. second time on 10x was in a more appropriate, spiritual situation and she gently told me that i wasnt ready.. after around 2 - 3 months i got regular ground leaves and had some of the most AMAZING experiences imaginable http://www.psychonaut.com/index.php?option=com_forum&Itemid=11&page=viewtopic&t=28452&lang=en

but what i think you should do is meditate with her.. dont take a trip to her, but rather meditate with you herb on your lap or in your hands. Then when you get the "vibe" that shes ready for you.. then by all means do it... but also make sure that your setting is perfect, no friends around no lights no sound, even wrap you self in a cuccoon of blankets to further disingage your senses from this demension..

 

[usotsuki]

Ok I'll either get a 5x or a plain leaf for next time. I actually like the taste.
[edit: already ordered plain leaf]

No lights and no sound is a good idea. That time I had psytrance music playing and it was.. o___o
I recorded the entire thing to make sure I don't do anything stupid (and watched it later), and the music matched my trip so well, it was truly epic but in a not very pleasant way. The video explained many things I couldn't understand while tripping.

Also, yes, I'm doing Salvia with good intentions. It's not to get "high" and "get wasted" and stuff.

Thank you, kind ladies and gentlemen.

 

[JustinNed]

From what I head the Quid method can be much more enjoyable, maybe try that out. I've had Ms. Salvia let me look in to my soul, and I've also had her try and kill me lol.

I find with my experiences about half of the trips with Salvia are pleasant but they always lead me to something else in my mind/soul.

 

[HappyMind]

Never. I like Salvia. But I don't want to hurt her or make her mad. I'm fine with the beating

But is it necessary? Abusing a substance isn't always better!

 

[usotsuki]

Never. I like Salvia. But I don't want to hurt her or make her mad. I'm fine with the beating

But is it necessary? Abusing a substance isn't always better!

Abuse of Salvia? I don't think that's even possible. I heard most people feel like they got brutally raped by her on their first trip.

 

[jj]

First of all, you need to go to much lower dose. You can use the 15x but only if you cut the dose way, way down. Try a couple of flakes per hit.

Oral ingestion is way better because it comes on slower. You can get pretty high if you climb slower. There's more time to adjust. You can even use the 15x orally. Just put it into a sip of booze, let it dissolve some, and toss it, crumbs and all, into your mouth and let it absorb through the tissues.

Also, you need to realize that it's your own negative thoughts that are bouncing back at you. If you'll go to a much lower dose with much slower onset of effects, you can come to see where this stuff is coming from.

Learn not to be defensive. Relax. Let the thrown stones through you, and they won't hurt. When there is nothing to defend, there is nothing for them to hit.

 

[usotsuki]

Learn not to be defensive. Relax. Let the thrown stones through you, and they won't hurt. When there is nothing to defend, there is nothing for them to hit.

I feel like that's exactly what I did wrong the first two times. Though the second one was a much smaller dose.

Third time will be tomorrow, with regular leaf that I ordered last week. I'll try your advice, jj. Thanks.

 

[Forkbender]

Never. I like Salvia. But I don't want to hurt her or make her mad. I'm fine with the beating

But is it necessary? Abusing a substance isn't always better!

Abuse of Salvia? I don't think that's even possible.

I do. If you take it in some bad setting, it's abuse. If you take too much, it's abuse. If you take it too often, it's abuse. Only thing with Salvia, is that abuse WILL be punished.

 

[BrainEater]

i agree !! really nice replies!! =)
jj, you say take some extract some booze, toss it and then .... ? how exactly is it being absorbed by then ? i mean ... you gotta let it in your mouth for some seconds, minutes ??? and how much (extract/normal leaves) you reccommend putting into it and what kind of booze is best for this method?? cuz it sounds good, i'd like to try it out...
for me smoked the flash is sometimes too fast... i mean it's so overwhelming that i can't really recall the experience completely...

Peace!

 

[jj]

I wrote in the tincture thread about how I make tincture with everclear, and about how I use it. I probably put too much leaf in there, maybe more than the alcohol can absorb, but I know for sure it can't get any stronger. Take a look at that.

I had some weak experiences working with oral absorption at first, but it got better with practice. Basically, I can get to level 4 with an easy climb and considerable time in that space.

Oral absorption seems to be much less efficient than smoking. It requires much more Salvia. Of course, the experience is spread out over more time, too. You would have to use 3-5x as much as you might smoke. So, using 15x orally is not the most efficient use of your money, but if you get tired of smoking, you can try that.

If you like it, buy a kilo. If it costs too much, split it with friends. That's a lot of Salvia at a good price.

I'll just go ramble on about the joys of tincture in the tincture thread, assuming it's still open. See ya there, if interested.

 

[usotsuki]

IT WORKS!

This time it was more of a heavy trance.
I couldn't enter that place though. It was like being between two worlds. There was a gate and I could not enter it because I was still clinging to reality so much, afraid to lose control, as I'm still living in my parent's house and they usually show up at random times.
But the entire time I was sitting outside of that gate kind of meditating, checking back with reality every once in a while.
The more I do this the more I wish I had a sitter.

The trip was a slow entering. Started with regular leaf and then gradually went up with 15x. It was great. I was treated really nicely.