Help me plan my first time with Salvia divinorum

[significationof?!?]

Hello! I am planning to join Lady Salvia on an introspective journey during the holidays... I have a few questions:
-How much? I have a gram of 25x for me and my friend; will half a gram each be enough? Too much? Should I start with .25, and take the other .25 if I don't feel anything?
-How to smoke it? Will a metal pipe with a small butane torch (supposedly 1300°C/2400°F!) work, or would I scorch my lungs and need a bong instead?
-What kind of setting? Music or not? What kind of music? Lights on or lights off?
-What kind of mental preparation? Should I do something simple and enjoyable before the experience to relax? should I try and empty my mind of expectaions? should I reflect on the insight I wish to gain? should I read some surrealist poetry?
-Anything else I should know?

Thanks a lot in advance!

 

[JustinNed]

Just load as much as you can in the bowl and torch it as hard as you can, just note, you are going to want to set the smoking device down almost immediately after blowing out the smoke. Generally about .5g

 

[st.bot.32]

Good luck, salvia is in a class by itself! There's really nothing else like it. If you are going to rip a big one right off the bat, be sure to have a trip sitter in a neighboring room or something. It's hard to predict how it will affect you. Salvia really varies from person to person. I'd take it sitting down in a cozy spot, lights down low. Try it without music first, or very soft and in the background.

In my experience preparation makes little difference.. the effects really are completely unpredictable. It's not like psychedelics where you can feel the trip coming on, change set and setting and all that stuff--it's over so quickly and you generally aren't even aware you are tripping until half the trip is already over. Anyway have a good, safe trip. Oh, also you might want to try a small dose first just to see how sensitive you are. Some people are extremely sensitive to salvia and some are "hardheads".

i highly recommend reading this short article on salvia.. it explains the different possible levels of tripping and has some good general info. you don't always have to go "all the way" with salvia either, there are different plateaus you can get out of it and they are quite interesting in themselves once you figure out how to get there

http://www.sagewisdom.org/usersguide.html

 

[significationof?!?]

Thanks for your answers... It's good to know that I should expect the unexpectable and avoid too much stimuli for the first time. I already have a sitter planned, he's a good friend I can trust. He will take care of the smoking device once the smoke's in my lungs.

There are a few technical points that I'm still confused on, namely the smoking temperature. The only information I could find on the Internet is "that a normal lighter is not enough", and that "a normal lighter can sometimes be enough". At what temperature does salvinorin vaporize approximately? I wont set the torch all the way to 1300 degrees if I can avoid it, even though I'll have a bong if I can McGuyver one.

 

[mysticwarrior]

There are a few technical points that I'm still confused on, namely the smoking temperature. The only information I could find on the Internet is "that a normal lighter is not enough", and that "a normal lighter can sometimes be enough".

For me, a normal lighter worked out fine. Don't worry about that, it's much wiser to prepare yourself for the experience. Salvia is not something to joke with!

 

[Forkbender]

If it is really 25x go easy on the dose. My first experience was with standardized 5x and I took about 0.1gram to break through. With 25x it is always a question if it is really 25x or 5x sold as 25x, but better be on the safe side as otherwise you won't remember a thing from the hell you will go through.

 

[mysticwarrior]

If it is really 25x go easy on the dose. My first experience was with standardized 5x and I took about 0.1gram to break through. With 25x it is always a question if it is really 25x or 5x sold as 25x, but better be on the safe side as otherwise you won't remember a thing from the hell you will go through.

Like fork said, go easy on the dose. Start with 0.1gram and go up from there. Better be safe then sorry.

 

[JustinNed]

See I disagree, I feel the first time should be powerful. IMHO, make sure you get a sitter and do what I said, load about .5g in to a pipe and just try and smoke it as fast as you can. There's no preparing for the experience as it is unique, I have however administered what I said (about .7g with 5x Extract) to someone and he had a beautiful experience with it. It was very important that the sitter (me) was there though.
I find a mild salvia experience to me uncomfortable and irritating, but everyone is different.

 

[st.bot.32]

its weird how tolerance works with salvia. back when i was doing it regularly, after a while i didn't need nearly as much to "get there."

after taking a break for like a year i tried smoking recently and must have gone through .2g of 40x and it did little other than give me a bit of sloshy visuals for a few moments

 

[mysticwarrior]

I find a mild salvia experience to me uncomfortable and irritating, but everyone is different.

Hmmm, i think your right about that. I noticed that to, it also scared me a little to upper the dose.

 

[significationof?!?]

It's a sort of "reverse tolerance" then? Is it easier to break through as you get to know Lady Salvia?

 

[JustinNed]

I find a mild salvia experience to me uncomfortable and irritating, but everyone is different.

Hmmm, i think your right about that. I noticed that to, it also scared me a little to upper the dose.

Me as well, that is why I suggest a full blown experience the first time. Most people think Salvia has reverse tolerance but I don't THINK there is any clad evidence, even though there may be.

 

[Forkbender]

On the other hand, if you take too much, you won't remember a thing. I had a full blown experience the first time at 0.1g of 5x taking 5 times that amount of a most likely stronger batch would seem to be overkill.

 

[st.bot.32]

I don't know if it is really "reverse tolerance" but I certainly found salvia to be way more effective when i was doing it on a regular basis. Hard to explain. Sort of like learning how to relax in such a way that it is almost like flipping a switch and letting go, and suddenly you are in salvia-land. for lack of a better phrase it is just about learning how to listen to the plant. then you realize it has many different levels of effects

Anyway the only thing I'm really interested in now is the quid method, that was the last really great salvia experience I had. completely different feeling than smoking it

 

[significationof?!?]

Whoah! First try with a low dose yesterday, and although my experience wasn't mind-shattering, I can only imagine what a bigger dose would be like! I only got one good hit and stayed in this universe (though it changed considerably), but my friend had two ended up in a shaman's cave that was also a woman's breast...

I'm planning on trying again today... Can I use salvia two days in a row, or will the experience be lessened?

 

[restin]

take a break. Your mind and body need it.

 

[austenjonesufg]

Since you are trying salvia for the first time so you can start it with small dose.
In order to smoke Salvia Divinorum effectively, you need to first get the correct material required for it like a water bong which helps in cooling the smoke. Other than a water bong, a hot source of fire is required as Salvia burns at a very high temperature. And the most important thing required in the process is Salvia extracts or superior quality of dried Salvia leaves. One can also use some weeds at the bottom as it helps in providing better effects of Salvia Divinorum.
http://salviamonster.com/wpmu/2008/12/0 ... divinorum/