First time aya

[Caduceus Mercurius]

Caduceus you don't see the usefulness. You say that if you want to purge for health reason would rather take just caapi.
But what about the energetic level? You talk about health as if it only concerns the body.

Yes, I believe sickness pertains to the body. And the body includes the nervous system, which is the vehicle for the mind. There are numerous things one could do for the health of the body (or the mind). Ayahuasca is just one out of many, and I do not believe ayahuasca is the best choice for all forms of physical discomfort, and whomever recommends nothing but ayahuasca to heal all ailments (a shaman for example, or someone following a certain ayahuasca-centered group in the West) simply doesn't understand how our bodies and its psychological framework are constructed.

Don't you think ayahuasca is a medicine for both the body and the soul?

Psychedelics in general are medicine for the body and the soul. Ayahuasca is just one type of psychedelic. Interesting from an anthropological point of view, but not unique from a psycho-spiritual point of view, unless one has a strong leaning towards the traditional, the ritualistic and the archaic.

Caapi may kill the parasites, but ayahuasca is also active on a energetic level. It kills the psychological/energetic parasites (or something like this)

So do mushrooms and LSD, or even MDMA. Unless of course you believe that only ayahuasca has those qualities. In that case only ayahuasca will do it for you, or your patient.

So what makes you think it's useless?

The fact that marvelous results have been achieved by people being administered psychedelics which do not induce nausea.

I think it's good to vomit and get rid of the toxics in the body.

Toxins are not eliminated by vomiting. Toxins are deactivated and/or eliminated by the liver, by the lungs, by the skin, by the kidneys and by the large intestine. Detoxification requires fasting, starting the day with fruits and juices or similar methods. Vomiting does very little if nothing in this regard.

So even with the traditional mushroom practice there is a place for purging.

That's not the traditional mushroom practice, but a traditional mushroom practice. And she was familiar with ayahuasca as well, so that may be where she (or her predecessors) got the belief from.

 

[Bastiaan]

From experience, I say go with peganum harmala and mimosa. At least you are sure your brew will work.

Y'all agree with this?
How should I go about? Make a certain amount of peganum harmala juice and drink it, then make a somewhat large amount of mimo juice, drink about half and wait for one and a half hour before deciding if I should take more?
And how much should I make these brews of? (first time but I want the full experience) Plz include in your answer wether were talking whole, shredded or powdered root or rootbark.
Thx in advance!
Nice btw my topic started a discussion on wether or not vommiting is a useful part of the experience 8)
I can't really have an opinion, I'll first have to experience it.
But when I just read the posts I'd say it's of no use, just caused my the soapy stuff

 

[magickmumu]

Caduceus I am amazed. I admit having a fascination for the archaic and the traditional.
Mushrooms MDMA and LSD are not ayahuasca. They are medicine I agree, but not ayahuasca. There are a lot of different healing plants. Ayahuasca itself is part of a larger body of healing plants.
Ayahuasca is not just a psychedelic. Mushrooms are not just a psychedelic. There is no such thing as just a psychedelic.
All these so called psychedelics have individual spirits.
(that's how I feel about it)

You say vomiting does very little, but how do you know this?

Don't get me wrong. I am not interested in a discussion upon this matter.
You believe purging to be useless. I don't.
You believe ayahuasca is just another psychedelic. I don't.
We simply disagree upon this. No big deal.
We should let this rest.

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

I know I disagree with you and many others on this matter. I don't believe in plant spirits either. In fact I do not believe in a lot of things (anymore). But I don't mind if others do.

You say vomiting does very little, but how do you know this?

I didn't say that, I said it does a lot, namely that it irritates my throat and nose, and thus spoils my trip, or at least serves as a very uncomfortable distraction. And with trip I mean entheogenic experience.

 

[Bastiaan]

Ok I'm making it right now 8)
Currently doing 2nd extraction.
I've measured 3 grams of peganum harmala seeds and am now boiling down 20 grams of mimosa hostilis.
I could only get 20 grams, not less and I thought it would be quite useless to save 5 grams.
Is this too much for a first time?
I'm thinking about drinking three quarters and take more if desirable after one and a half to two hours.
Would you think this to be wise?
I'll drink it tomorrow.

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

The first time I ever did that combination I prepared 19 grams of the Mimosa and drank most of it. First half of it, which I partly vomited out, and then the rest which I could keep in. I have no experience with 20, but I'm sure it will be comparably beautiful and exhilirating. By the way, you can have a trip with just 5 grams of Mimosa, so you could store it for later.

 

[Bastiaan]

After 3 extractions i threw the bark material away, boiled it down and then put it in the fridge.
After a few hours or so it now looks like this.
Should I pour off the top layer and throw the lighter goo away? Or does this contain spice?
I really don't know what this goo is or what to do.

 

[Ultima]

CaduceusMercurius, im sorry but when i saw that pic of you drinking the aya, i wanted to vomit right here on my computer.. lol.. i Love the effects of aya, but that taste... never leaves you. i could actually taste the aya when i saw that pic.

 

[Forkbender]

I really don't know what this goo is or what to do.

I don't know either, but I suggest you drink it.

Hmmmmmm.. Tasty.. :vom:

 

[restin]

Interesting look....

does it taste like morning glory brew? :wink:

 

[GOD]

I like the taste of aya / analogs . But not the ones made with acids because when you have boiled it down the PH is more and the bitterness takes over the taste . It also acidifys my stomach to the point of stomach burn / headache and feeling my blood is sour .

Not all people puke , in my experience most dont . Allthough many burp or fart or at least their guts grumble . I think its because of the soaps and more because of the fats in it . If you do puke its not a nasty sort of pul´king like puking your guts up on alkohol . Its more of a wez t burping from the guts . I`ve never seen .... or smelled any one realy puking on aya . If it happens enjoy it and be glad its out / over . Lots of people feel the "shame" ??? of puking in public is worse than the puking itself .

Aya is your friend . Ive never seen anyone have a realy bad time on it .... exept for real arseholes . Some people get confused but with help that passes . I think if you like yourself and your life you will be OK .

 

[Bastiaan]

It was one of my if not my most beautiful psychedelic experience ever!
Even though I didn't manage to keep much in
Next time I am going to try it together with a friend, in the evening instead of in the middle of the day and I'm going to use crystal DMT inside a capsule
I think I'll put the Peganum seeds whole in a capsule as well
I hope I'll be able to keep it all in this way

 

[Forkbender]

I like the taste of aya / analogs . But not the ones made with acids because when you have boiled it down the PH is more and the bitterness takes over the taste . It also acidifys my stomach to the point of stomach burn / headache and feeling my blood is sour .

Can you just use a water extraction to make aya? How long should you cook it for?

 

[GOD]

Personaly i never liked doing it in the day time . Its to loud for me and there is to much going on in the world arround me . I liked taking the MAOI at 10 at night and then the DMT part 20 - 45 minutes later . If i could wait that long.......
Last time i did it after 17 minutes . Often i took them together .

I think that some of the puking / feeling could come from nervousness , and / or the ego shiting out . If one doesnt eat for 4 hours before there is no / very little undigested food that can come back up again . I also think one should stay away from very acidic foods and hard to digest foods (nuts , meat and fryed foods).

"Can you just use a water extraction to make aya?"

Yes . That was my prefered method . All the ayahuasca / analogs i have had from Holland or south America were not made with acids . The only time i`ve had ones made with acids is when i made them myself , and i didnt like them .

How long should you cook it for?"

Personaly i used to put it in a preasure cooker and boil it at full preasure for at least an hour , strain it and do the same another 2 times . Sometimes i did the 3rd boil for 2 hours .

 

[aryaman]

you use pressure cooker for extraction?isn't it losing the caapi-mimosa active principle?

I'm a newbie of aya,sorry if the question sounds stupid

 

[Goran.Hrsak]

Last time I did ayahuasca I didn't prepare the brew properly and I had to vomit. I don't like vomiting, despite the purging belief.quote]

IS THIS U? SORRY BUT U ARE THE FIRST ONE WITH WORDS COMBINED WITH FACE! 8) BRAVE! I WILL POST MINE. TRY TO GUESS WHICH ONE IS ME? ONE WITH THAT LUCKY ANSWER WILL RECEIVE PRIZE!

 

[Bastiaan]

I think ur the one on the right 8)

Well folks, today I think I'll have another go
4 grams of PH and 60mgs of DMT in a capsule tonight..
I am very excited
1 more question: can't you just gulge the PH down whole with water? :?
I'm not making that disgusting brew anymore that's pretty damn sure

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

You can put finely grinded PH seeds in capsules. Take a gram or two more than if you would take it as a tea. Peganum tea isn't that distasteful though.

 

[Goran.Hrsak]

NO MAN! U need to grind and cook it. This is the best way. Also when U cook it like tea U can mix it with other tasteful herbal tea.
PH is like coffee or green tea. Or cacao! They doesn't dissolve in cold or warm water (37C°). OK, PH will act if U only gut it but I think that only 50% of Harmine and Harmaline (MAOi) comes out of seeds.
Do hard boiled tea. Hot (100c°)water flushed over the seeds (powdered or whole, U decide) 5-8 times. From one cup to another trough strainer with PH in it.

This is my advice to U. Such way will be what I would do in your shoes.
Drink it with fingers closing your nostrils. This helps if U are drinking disgusting brew.

Have an nice voyage.

P.S.
POST WHAT U FELT! I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR YOUR EXPERIENCE. POST IT HERE. OK? :?:

PEACE
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[Brugmansia]

I think Bastiaan was refering to DMT in crystal/extract form. MAO's + Pure DMT orally = pharmayahuaca.