DMT Trip - Emotions?

[DaZeD]

I hope the DMT will not crush me

It will, but the moment you realize it does, you don't really care anymore.

Haha, yea, that's beautiful!

To give you an answer, for me personally DMT did not give me any insights (not yet, done it 7 time's now), didn't show me any entities either.
And it definatly does not make my thoughts run wild like on psilocybin or LSD, I never experienced any emotional shifts, actually, it make's me very calm, even when I was tense before the trip started, that all fades away from the moment the rush starts.

Not even odd thoughts for me, and I allways have REALLY odd thougts when I trip on other substances, but not with DMT, I become very calm and lay back to enjoy the show, and let the DMT effect embrace me.

I know a guy who claims he never had any visuals and never had different thinking patterns when he trips on acid or shrooms (wich I think is VERY strange), but on DMT he had visuals for the first time in his life, he encountered an unfriendly entity once, and had some life-changing insights on it, so I guess it varies from person to person.

 

[Ahuaeynjxs]

It's not that strange when you think about it... perhaps that person was taking fluoridated anti-anxiolitics...

That kills pineal function effectively, and reduces DMT production to a stop... goodbye wild dreams, goodbye hallucinations.

Then logically, only DMT can trigger hallucination in such people with atrophied glands. edit : Salvia will also work most of the time, maybe it has a magical effect on reactivating those glands as well, as some people seem to have been "liberated" pretty much after only one dose of Salvia the salviatrice. Salvation from the halo-genes...

DMT extraction from grass is very easy provided you have a very good juicer.

In the spring you can go harvest phalaris grasses that you have spotted the year prior that the flower of the grass turns a deep red-purple. When those get out and are like all green and tender, it's easy to fill a big bag out of it.

You pass that through the powerjuicer and you get a pretty concentrated green juice which btw is very good for health and kinda makes you high on its own, even if you'd have to take MAOI to make it orally active, I always seem to get a small lived high from grass juices.

Then if you really wanted to make the smokable form, all you have to do is add a base in there, and extract the goods with some non-polar, cleaning or not is up to you then.

Here between the highways, these HUGE phalaris grasses grow up to 8 feet tall and become vibrant red when the dmt oxidises when the flower opens and dry. I could pick a truckload of those grasses in a day, it's everywhere.

When you see this red-purple color in internodes and flowers you can bet on alkaloid presence.

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

Canary Reed Grass may not be the best source of DMT though, for it can have high concentrations of gramine, which is a very toxic alkaloid (C. Raetsch, 2005).

Also discussed here.

 

[Ahuaeynjxs]

In sheep...

Sheep are known for having toxic reactions to stuff we humans can eat kilos of ! I don't see how such a pathetic indole could give me any harm...

but I'll sure look it up

 

[Ahuaeynjxs]

No data readily available... besides I been on many farms and cows eat tons of phalaris and don't seem to get sick.

The tryptamines are a most interesting and biologically useful class of compounds. In the human body, serotonin (5-hydroxytryptamine) functions as a vasoconstrictor, inhibits gastric secretion, stimulates smooth muscle, and is naturally present in the central nervous system where it is involved in neurotransmission44. The 5-methoxy homolog of serotonin is considered to be hallucinogenic in humans as is the 5-methoxy homolog of gramine (3-(N,N-dimethylaminomethyl)-indole)41. Melatonin (N-acetyl-5-methoxytryptamine), formed by the mammalian pineal gland, appears to depress gonadal function and is known to cause contractions of melanophores.

from : http://www.m-pab.ru/docs/rhodium/future_drugs.html

Sheep are just strange... looks to me like *someone* dosen't want people to know DMT and another potential fun molecule to play with is in grass all around us

*rofl*[/quote]

 

[GOD]

" cows eat tons of phalaris and don't seem to get sick. "

Its not just sheep its horses and cows to . They get whats called the stagers , wich means they cant walk properly . As the DMT isnt oraly effective something else must be causing that problem . What ?

How can any "pathetic" indole do anything to anyone ? Arent LSD and DMT indoles ?

The toxicity of gramin is disputed .

 

[Forkbender]

But why is Gramine hazardous according to NFPA 704?

2- Intense or continued but not chronic exposure could cause temporary incapacitation or possible residual injury

 

[Ahuaeynjxs]

I meant harm, you know I did

It can make you hallucinate, but no human gets the staggers, and I have watched many cows eat heaps of phalaris and never get the staggers.

Did you watch the sheep video ? hehehe

I'm sure it's caused by the indoles, this has been proven, but they don't have a neo-cortex with tons of enzymes to "sublimate it" forgive my scientific rudeness.

Yeah LSD and DMT are complex indoles... gramin is pathetic compared to them, this is what I meant

I have drank many cups of phalaris juices and lemme tell you it's concentrated and makes you laugh, but you don't have trouble walking, you actually feel like running around the block

 

[GOD]

I dont see anything there about gramin toxicity ? Can you point me directly at it please ?

 

[Ahuaeynjxs]

Well as with any indoles, if you take so much your liver cannot decompose it anymore, you're in trouble... so if you handled pure gramine you must be quite cautious

I would be curious to see how high the dosage required to stuff a healthy liver ; must be something like half a gram per kg... hardly feasible, even if you drink 4 liters of the grass juice.

As with anything, I always advise not to abuse good things...

 

[Forkbender]

If you go to the wikipedia page CM posted before, you see on the right hand side the basic chemical info and at the bottom a 4-coloured square. This square tells us something about the dangers involved with chemicals. The 2 in the blue box means:

Intense or continued but not chronic exposure could cause temporary incapacitation or possible residual injury

I don't know on what they base this number and in what concentrations they tested this, but it might be indicative of the possible dangers.

 

[Forkbender]

Did you watch the sheep video ? hehehe

goats. not sheep. goats.

 

[Ahuaeynjxs]

Still it's funny... I'd bet the staggers look quite like this.

 

[DaZeD]

It's not that strange when you think about it... perhaps that person was taking fluoridated anti-anxiolitics...

Hey, I take Seroxat, wich contains anti-anxiolitics, but nevertheless I have really intense dreams every single day, I also have visuals when tripping on psychedelics, but have have never seen any entities on DMT.

Would I see those entities if I didn't take anti-anxiolitics?
I can't immagine that I would dream more then I allready do now, I mean, pretty often I mix up reality with dreams.

Sometimes I think of something, and later I realise it didn't happen in real life, I only dreamed it.

 

[Ahuaeynjxs]

Thats called schizophrenia... you might want to get checked for that. :S

What you are taking is a SSRI, especially must not be combined with psychedelics, it can make you feel like those goats if you have too much serotonin into your brain, and make you see things too, and have pretty distubring dreams.

Of course the fluoride side is less strong than the trifluoro types but I assume if you took it long enough, you wouldn't be prone to hallucinations much anymore.

I have no idea about the entities... perhaps they know that if they show up you're going to have such a strong serotonin rush that it will kill you, who knows I have no experience with high dose DMT nor do I recommend it for someone in a precarious setting.

 

[druglessdouglas]

Thats called schizophrenia... you might want to get checked for that. :S

What you are taking is a SSRI, especially must not be combined with psychedelics, it can make you feel like those goats if you have too much serotonin into your brain, and make you see things too, and have pretty distubring dreams.

Of course the fluoride side is less strong than the trifluoro types but I assume if you took it long enough, you wouldn't be prone to hallucinations much anymore.

I have no idea about the entities... perhaps they know that if they show up you're going to have such a strong serotonin rush that it will kill you, who knows I have no experience with high dose DMT nor do I recommend it for someone in a precarious setting.

give it a rest

 

[Ahuaeynjxs]

What ? Who ?

The fluorides, the entities ?

I did not bring it up...

 

[druglessdouglas]

the bullshit

 

[Ahuaeynjxs]

Thats your perception...

you're drugless yet you smoke cigarettes and drink alcohol, thats my perception even if I don't say all I think. MR supposed adult, supposed martial artist with great meditative insight.

You insulted me as a liar yet you have still to mention what lies and for what purpose...

besides, you're not very constructive in your criticism.

 

[DaZeD]

Thats called schizophrenia... you might want to get checked for that. :S

I have no idea about the entities... perhaps they know that if they show up you're going to have such a strong serotonin rush that it will kill you.

Eeuugh?!
That's called schizophrenia :? .
And the DMT entities are'nt showing cause they are afraid that too much serotonin would kill me, puh-ease!

I allmost took you seriously, but obviously your'e just talking crazy.
You obviously don't have a clue what your'e talking about, ... schizophrenia.